# "House to start an impeachment inquiry into President Biden" **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 12, 2023, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995 "2023-09-12T16:17:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/361 "2023-12-14T03:14:12Z")
Do you ever get the feeling the Republicans are just putting on a dog & pony show to distract us from Trump? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/362 "2023-12-14T03:43:05Z")
They would never. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/363 "2023-12-14T09:24:12Z")
The relevant portion starts on page 81. Walker says that Hunter seemed to try and set up an appearance by his father without his knowing, and Joe appeared for a moment and left almost immediately, with no business discussion at all. So the GOP committee is lying, and you’re helping to spread that lie. Why are you so committed to helping the GOP with their lies? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 9:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/364 "2023-12-14T09:29:52Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > > [@Atamasama](#): > > > > I don’t equate Biden “showing up” at a meeting with him discussing business dealings, let alone having any kind of significant involvement with Hunter’s business > > You added the ‘sigtnificant’ qualifier, but that’s not what Joe said. > > > [@Joe Biden](#): > > > > First of all, I have never discussed with my son, or my brother, or anyone else, anything having to do with their businesses, period > > He’s been making claims like that for years. Never discussed business even with his son, never had anything at all to do with his businesses, there’s a firewall between me and him, etc. > > And yet, we have plenty of evidence that these are not true. No we don’t. There’s not a shred of evidence. You’ve offered nothing. The GOP has nothing. Joe never said he was never in the same room as someone who did business with Hunter, he said that he’d never discussed business with Hunter or any of his business acquaintances. And nothing the GOP has offered actually disputes this. Nothing at all. This is a baseless GOP lie that you’re helping to spread. > [@](#): > > Here’s Joe Biden meeting Hunter’s Kazakhstan partners: > [Photo shows Joe Biden meeting Hunter’s alleged business partner from Kazakhstan](https://nypost.com/2020/10/20/photo-biden-meets-hunters-alleged-partner-from-kazakhstan/) > > Here’s Hunter and Joe golfing with Devon Archer and allegedly a Ukrainian energy executive. > > [Joe and Hunter Biden golfed with Ukraine gas executive in 2014](https://nypost.com/2019/10/01/joe-and-hunter-biden-golfed-with-ukraine-gas-executive-in-2014/) > > And of course the links I’ve been providing document more connections. > > [Joe Biden met with at least 14 of Hunter’s business associates while vice president](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-biden-met-14-hunters-business-associates-vice-president) None of these actually show any business meetings or business discussions, and therefore none of them offer any evidence Joe lied. More baseless GOP lies that you’re helping to spread. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/365 "2023-12-14T09:33:31Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Then there was Biden’s fake E-mail account, which he used to communicate with various people off the record. We have the metadata thanks to IRS whistleblowers. Among the Emails to Hunter’s business associates there are 54 E-mails betqeen Biden and Hunter’s business partner Eric Schwerin. The House committee is waiting for the E-mails from the National Records Office. > > A couple of days ago Biden was asked about the evidence that he had been in contact with Hunter’s associates. Biden said, “They’re all lies!” They aren’t. When Eric Schwerin, the person with the 54 E-mails from Biden heard that, he said “that’s complete malarky! There’s plenty of evidence.” Among that evidence would be the 54 Emails, and White House visitor logs that show Schwerin had visited the White House dozens of times. I don’t see a cite for these claims. Please cite every single sentence. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/366 "2023-12-14T09:37:17Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > [Fresh revelations contradict Joe Biden’s sweeping denials on Hunter - POLITICO](https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/05/hunter-joe-biden-business-testimony-00125056) > > Then there was the dinner with Hunter and the Burisma executive: > > > [@](#): > > > > Of the many disputes that followed the leaking of Hunter Biden’s laptop contents, one of the thorniest has been the case of the April 2015 dinner at Cafe Milano. > > > > Emails from the cache suggested that Hunter Biden hosted a dinner in a private room at the tony Washington restaurant that included both his father and an executive from the Ukrainian energy company Burisma, which had appointed Hunter Biden to its board. An email from the executive, dated immediately following the dinner, thanked Hunter Biden for the chance to meet his father. > > The White House immediately denied it. > > > [@](#): > > > > As the media litigated the controversy, the White House insisted, in increasingly forceful terms\*\*,\*\* that no meeting between Biden and the executive had occurred. > > > > In October 2021, a year after the dinner became a matter of national controversy, a POLITICO article mentioning it prompted an email response from a White House spokesperson reiterating and extending denials that Biden had met the Ukrainian executive, Vadym Pozharskyi. > > > > While some statements from Biden representatives could be construed as only ruling out that a formal meeting took place between Biden and the executive, the White House maintained its denial was more sweeping. > > > > “Does this rule out any informal encounter with Pozharskyi in April 2015?” POLITICO asked. > > > > “Yes,” the White House spokesman wrote back. > > > > Then, this July, a former Hunter Biden business partner who was present at the dinner testified before the House Oversight Committee. Under penalty of perjury, Devon Archer said that the Ukrainian executive **did** dine with Joe Biden, Hunter Biden and several others at Cafe Milano in April 2015. > > Documentation on the Cafe Milano dinner can be found on the House Oversight Committee page I linked to earlier. So at most, here, maybe the WH Press person said something inaccurate about a dinner. Nothing about Joe Biden lying, and certainly nothing about any business discussion. So, once again, no evidence Joe Biden lied, and no evidence is wrongdoing. More GOP lies that you’re assisting with. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/367 "2023-12-14T09:53:57Z")
Politico is not a good source since they were acquired by Axel Springer in 2021, IMO. They push out a lot of garbage. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/368 "2023-12-14T09:56:35Z")
Even if they were, the article doesn’t support the GOP lies about Biden. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/369 "2023-12-14T10:05:01Z")
If it helps, I saw the clip of Biden being asked about his contact with business associates. The question was framed as “The American people believe that…” rather than “There is evidence that…”. Biden did indeed say it was all lies. And in this, he appears to have been telling the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/370 "2023-12-14T10:30:55Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > A couple of days ago Biden was asked about the evidence that he had been in contact with Hunter’s associates. Biden said, “They’re all lies!” They aren’t. In Trumpywumpy speak: People are saying since couple of weeks ago, Sleepy Joe was asked about the CLEAR and DAMMMING evidence that Sleepy Joel had been in deep contact and SUPPOrTING Hunter’s deep STATE associates!! Sleepy Joe lied and says “They’re all LIES!” TRUE Patriots know these aren’t lies. It’s all true. That better? ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/371 "2023-12-14T11:56:37Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So your evidence for the claim about wrongdoing is that a guy said that Joe Biden talked about the weather to a few people? And he talked to his son about the weather and stuff……he let his son “ have access” to him. Everyone knows that once your child goes into business, you need to cut them off completely in order not to be corrupt. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/372 "2023-12-14T14:02:20Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > And he talked to his son about the weather and stuff……he let his son “ have access” to him. Everyone knows that once your child goes into business, you need to cut them off completely in order not to be corrupt. I went ahead and cut off all communication with my kids when they opened their first lemonade stand, just to avoid even the appearance of impropriety. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/373 "2023-12-14T14:08:27Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > I went ahead and cut off all communication with my kids when they opened their first lemonade stand, just to avoid even the appearance of impropriety. That’s not what people are saying. ---
**Author:** ![SingleMalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/singlemalt/32/3961_2.png) [@SingleMalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SingleMalt)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/374 "2023-12-14T14:49:49Z")
Some people’s memories seem amazingly short. Here’s ranking member Raskin’s summary of Faceplant Comer’s little fishing expedition as a reminder: > **[As the House Returns to Session, Ranking Member Raskin Releases Statement on...](https://oversightdemocrats.house.gov/news/press-releases/as-the-house-returns-to-session-ranking-member-raskin-releases-statement-on-the)** > > Washington, D.C. (September 11, 2023)—Today, Rep. Jamie Raskin, Ranking Member of the Committee on Oversight and Accountability, released the following statement on the status of Republicans’ failed investigation of President Biden as the House... ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/375 "2023-12-14T16:42:01Z")
I almost forgot about that excellent summary. You know, seriously, it’s as if he was providing a point-by-point rebuttal to a particular poster on our board. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/376 "2023-12-14T16:48:28Z")
That is indeed a great summary, and point by point refutes every one of the GOP House lies that Sam has repeated. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/377 "2023-12-14T17:04:53Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > But the clients would be reassured that Hunter really did have access to his Dad Hold on, why the hell does anyone need proof that a person has access to their FATHER??? This needed to be proven, that Hunter knew his Dad and spoke to him sometimes? What the hell is this? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/378 "2023-12-14T17:24:14Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > This needed to be proven, that Hunter knew his Dad and spoke to him sometimes? What the hell is this? It’s a pile of steaming horse dung, that’s what it is. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/379 "2023-12-14T18:35:52Z")
According to Grassley, there is no there there. > **[Aaron Rupar (@aaron.rupar) on Threads](https://www.threads.net/@aaron.rupar/post/C01twb_g3YN/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==)** > > Steve Doocy this morning: "I would say that the three people on Capitol Hill who know the most about this deal are James Comer, Jim Jordan, and Chuck Grassley. Grassley said yesterday he has seen no evidence Joe Biden was involved with Hunter Biden's... ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/380 "2023-12-14T19:24:32Z")
Searching for “Father” and “dad” in that document the only thing I found was the following two exchanges (edited to delete a multitude of "Hmph hmph"ing) Page 67: > Wilson: Okay. Um…, and I get it if the…, this is a uncomfortable question…, but did you hear …(clears throat)…, did you hear Jim or Hunter like throw out their dad’s name to say like …you know, kind of “wink and …elbow” like we’ll make this happen because of my dad or ah, did they use the…, like put that influence out there… > Walker: No. > Wilson: …in front of you? > Walker: Ah, I would never doubt that…, that Jim would do something like that …‘cause he always ah…, he always talked about his brother but it was always ah, usually in the past about how …he helped his brother in California or helped his brother with this and that and um, you know …circle super, you know, ah, pride with that. Hunter, ah, ah, was always um, real careful, ah, about ah…, not ah…, ah…, crossing any sort of lines like that. > Wilson: Okay. Even when he was in…, in financial issues? > Soline: Yeah. > Walker: He might have said something like, you know, ah, you know, my family……but ah…, or, you know…my family is ah…, is…, is needing this…but he never would say his father and um…, I certainly never interpreted it as ah…, his father was involved. He was …never involved in anything in any way, um…, but could the Chinese or somebody else take something like that in…, in some way…, sure…, but ah…, I think it would be ah…, ah…, a little naïve I think if…, if you’re looking at me and James and ah……Hunter. Page 95: > Walker: …we may not even have had an entity at first but ah…, we split off when we were gonna do our…We have…, have ah…, our own lobbying shop and ah…, I wasn’t part of the general partnership…, ah…, and just kind of right at the time when um…, ah…, the former President asked ah…, his dad to be ah…, running mate and he was really “anti” any sort of lobbying at all so… > Wilson: You’re talkin’ about President Obama. > Walker: Yeah. > Wilson: Okay. > Walker: And I was doing some maybe lobbying work for a small aerospace company…, A…, ANBC and they had their, you know, Jesuit people and…, and stuff and…, um…, we ended up having to drop a…, a lot if not all of the lobbying clients. So once again we get a cite that says the opposite of what is claimed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995.md?page=20)