# How about that Illuminati? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 20, 2003, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549 "2003-08-20T23:24:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![kingpengvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2003, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/21 "2003-08-22T12:37:32Z")
Who controls the British Crown? Who Keeps the metric System Down We DO! We DO! Who Keeps Atlantis off the maps? Who keeps the Martians under wraps? and so on… ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2003, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/22 "2003-08-22T14:50:47Z")
Click on: [http://www.tomsmithonline.com/lyrics/illuminati\_polka.htm](http://www.tomsmithonline.com/lyrics/illuminati_polka.htm) for filker Tom Smith’s “Illuminati Polka”! My theory is that the Freemasons run everything and the Shriners are a special branch set up to distract our attention. I mean, how can you take an organization seriously as a worldwide power conspiracy if its representative members wear red fezzes and drive tiny go-carts in parades? ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2003, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/23 "2003-08-22T14:59:12Z")
Exactly ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2003, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/24 "2003-08-22T16:04:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor \* > \*\*How about 'em? > \*\* I give them maybe 5-11, but definitely no shot at the postseason. Wait, you mean that ISN’T the new Houston expansion team? ---
**Author:** ![paranormal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3be4f8/32.png) [@paranormal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paranormal)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2003, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/25 "2003-08-22T17:08:06Z")
Hey bosda dichi what does fnord mean ---
**Author:** ![paranormal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3be4f8/32.png) [@paranormal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paranormal)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2003, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/26 "2003-08-22T17:29:47Z")
BTW bosda di chi of whatever when i saw the spoiler of yours i felt real scared ---
**Author:** ![paranormal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3be4f8/32.png) [@paranormal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paranormal)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2003, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/27 "2003-08-22T17:32:50Z")
Because the spoiler i have chronic, low emergency paranoia ---
**Author:** ![philfromfsu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/48db29/32.png) [@philfromfsu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/philfromfsu)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2003, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/28 "2003-08-22T17:51:45Z")
“that Illuminati” was correct. Singular noun describing a group of people acting as a group. The story i heard was that the vast majority of masons are told one thing and the higher you get in the heirarchy the real agenda, so to speak, is revealed. That way all the lesser masons go around saying its just “… a mostly business and social organization” (-dal\_timgar, above) ---
**Author:** ![ERgilmoregirlfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8dc957/32.png) [@ERgilmoregirlfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ERgilmoregirlfan)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/29 "2003-08-23T01:38:07Z")
Has anyone read ANGELS & DEMONS by Dan Brown? It deals with the Illuminati and I was wondering how much of it was real. It has a blurb page before the novel starts about it, but it just says it’s a real group and not much else. I.E. the ambigram part of it? Does this have anything important relating to the actual group, or is this all just integral to the story and he made it important? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/30 "2003-08-23T07:14:25Z")
You know, when translated to Klingon “illuminati” sounds like “FOrD vIpIHpa’ CAR’lyLe Hoch.” ---
**Author:** ![Logical\_Phallacy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Logical\_Phallacy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Logical_Phallacy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/31 "2003-08-23T15:46:17Z")
hail eris Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor! ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/32 "2003-08-23T16:35:09Z")
The Biggest Secret by David Icke. Read it. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/33 "2003-08-23T16:49:25Z")
The Iron Triangle ---
**Author:** ![mascaroni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@mascaroni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mascaroni)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/34 "2003-08-23T16:58:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by vanilla \* > \*\*The Biggest Secret by David Icke. > Read it. \*\* [David Icke.](http://www.davidicke.com/) Coventry City Goalkeeper. BBC Sports Reporter. Absolute Nutter. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/35 "2003-08-23T17:03:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mascaroni \* > \*\*[David Icke.](http://www.davidicke.com/) > Coventry City Goalkeeper. > BBC Sports Reporter. > Absolute Nutter. \*\* sometimes the truth seems nutty. Have you read it? ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/36 "2003-08-23T17:10:27Z")
the best sources on the historical Illuminati… Eugene Methvin, The Rise of Radicalism, Arlington, early 1970s (one can actually trace the Illuminati to the Communist Party by following the splinters of revolutionary groups; author does not believe in a modern-day Illuminati) James Billington, Fire In the Minds of Men: Origins of the Revolutionary Faith, late 1980s (much the same as above, author became head of Library of Congress) Good but Conspiracy-buff (first three available via John Birch Society) John Robison, Proofs of a Conspiracy, 1798 (British scientist invited to join a rogue Masonic lodge links suppressed Illuminati to French Revolution, uses Illuminati documents) Abbe Joseph Barreul, Memoirs of Jacobinism, 1798 (French priest links Illuminati to French Rev, uses documents, traces Illuminist thought to Manicheans) Rev. Clarence Kelly, Conspiracy Against God and Man, 1978 (summarizes much of above two) and alas, I gotta cite Nesta Webster, Secret Societies & Subversive Movements; World Revolution- The Plot Against Civilization, 1920s- the alas is because ol’ Nesta has Fascistic but not Nazi sympathies & put too much faith in The Protocols. Btw, a great book written in the 1930s by an H. Bernstein- The Truth About the Protocols, not only giving the text of the Protocols, but also all the prior hoaxes & the political satire (Dialogue in Hell between Montesque & Napolean by Maurice Joly) from which they were plagiarized. ---
**Author:** ![mascaroni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@mascaroni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mascaroni)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/37 "2003-08-23T17:12:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by vanilla \* > \*\*sometimes the truth seems nutty. > Have you read it? \*\* I’ve not read that book, but I’ve read and heard plenty of David Icke’s ideas. The Protocols re-hashed… He’s a nutter. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/38 "2003-08-23T17:17:50Z")
believe what you want. ---
**Author:** ![Greyson3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/258eb7/32.png) [@Greyson3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greyson3)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/39 "2003-08-23T17:31:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by vanilla \* > \*\*believe what you want. \*\* David Icke is the guy who believes in the reptilian alien conspiracy. You know, the one where our highest government positions are filled by dinosaur-like extraterrestrials whose goal is to subjugate the human race. Do you believe that? Man, election time must be weird over at your place. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/40 "2003-08-23T17:33:36Z")
Try reading all the other political stuff he has found out, instead. ssssssssss [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549.md?page=3)