# How about that Illuminati? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 20, 2003, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549 "2003-08-20T23:24:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/41 "2003-08-23T17:34:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Greyson3 \* > \*\* > > Man, election time must be weird over at your place. \*\* Not too weird. I voted for nader last time. ---
**Author:** ![Greyson3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/258eb7/32.png) [@Greyson3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greyson3)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/42 "2003-08-23T17:37:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by vanilla \* > \*\*Try reading all the other political stuff he has found out, instead. > ssssssssss \*\* So, then, you believe his Bilderberg stuff but not his reptilian stuff? Why? If he were here right now he’d say you’re the one who is only believing what she wants. sssssssssss ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/43 "2003-08-23T17:39:11Z")
I can see the evidence he has presented for the Bilderburger stuff, not reptilian. First time I see someone shape-shift, then I’ll agree with that. The other stuff Does make sense. ---
**Author:** ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/44 "2003-08-24T00:55:10Z")
Wait, so the Illuminati was somehow involved in the Nader campaign because he’s a reptilian shapeshifter? Or did I miss something? Damn. And I thought politics was boring. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/45 "2003-08-24T02:25:23Z")
My opinion of the Illuminati and those who’d believe in them is unsuited to Great Debates. As religious as I am, I suppose I have to admit to some degree of gullibility, but believing in them would take _way_ too much, even for me. Sorry, but in my opinion and experience, humans are lousy at keeping secrets. The whole idea seems completely impractical and untenable to me. CJ Unless, of course, I’m in on it! ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/46 "2003-08-24T05:24:06Z")
vanilla, there are lots of other reputable (or at least more reputable) sources that’ll give you the same info on the Bildeberg society. As conspiracy buffs go, I’ve actually found the John Birch Society to be the least hysterical (JBS regards the “Conspiracy” as purely human & attempts to add extraterrestrial or occult powers to them is seen as “neutralizing” Conspiracy-opponents by sending them on wild goose chases). Actually, regarding the CFR-Trilateral-Bildeberg type groups, I don’t hold they are tight-knit societies which orchestrate everything but more representatives of an Establishment of consensus- globalist, corporate socialist (Big Gov’t/Big Business always work hand in hand- under Communism, Fascism, Naziism, & Western modern welfare/warfare state capitalism), but not monolithic or micromanaging. If there is to be a New World Order, I think they’d prefer a bloodless Brave New World than a terrorist Big Brother system, tho I’m not sure they don’t prefer to just maintain the status quo. ---
**Author:** ![t-keela](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a3d4f5/32.png) [@t-keela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/t-keela)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/47 "2003-08-24T11:47:04Z")
**Leapin’ Lizards** …that sounds like something outta HOLLYWOOD! Wait a minute, I seem to recall a movie and series about reptilian aliens. IIRC **Vanilla** , it was called **“V”**. So, I guess your secret’s out. BTW, I thought the head lizard chick was really hot. She had a bottomless throat. She swallowed a whole rat w/out gagging once. Just imagine…no forget it. The mind wanders sometimes. It’s already hard enough to consider the Illuminati to be a real entity. Turning them into reptiles from space doesn’t help (greys maybe) heh Unless it’s a ploy by **them** to spread disinformation. Hey, wasn’t there also a movie called **THEM**? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/48 "2003-08-24T11:50:45Z")
Them is giant ants. ---
**Author:** ![paranormal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3be4f8/32.png) [@paranormal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paranormal)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/49 "2003-08-24T12:30:36Z")
How do i join the illuminati? ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/50 "2003-08-24T21:33:11Z")
paranormal, you’re already in. Hail Eris! ---
**Author:** ![Laughing\_Lagomorph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Laughing\_Lagomorph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laughing_Lagomorph)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/51 "2003-08-24T22:24:06Z")
They must be real. They have a website: [www.illuminati.org](http://www.illuminati.org) ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/52 "2003-08-24T22:51:00Z")
I for one, welcome our Ant Overlords. ---
**Author:** ![Aro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b3f665/32.png) [@Aro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aro)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2003, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/53 "2003-08-25T12:16:25Z")
**Vanilla,** Thought you may be interesting in learning of how the Illuminati managed to use mind-control techniques to bring down the Twin Towers on 9/11. As explained by [David Icke](http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles3/terrorattack.html), of course. I especially like the ‘Pyramid of Manipulation’ graphic. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Aro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b3f665/32.png) [@Aro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aro)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2003, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/54 "2003-08-25T12:18:33Z")
Grrrr…interest **ed** , not … **ing**. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2003, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/55 "2003-08-25T18:47:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Aro \* > \*\ ***Vanilla,** > > Thought you may be interesting in learning of how the Illuminati managed to use mind-control techniques to bring down the Twin Towers on 9/11. > > As explained by [David Icke](http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles3/terrorattack.html), of course. I especially like the ‘Pyramid of Manipulation’ graphic. > > 😃 \*\* I find this believable. Along with (if you guys would read the book) the ritual murder of Diana. BTW, I am also a (non-paying) member of the John Birch Society. If I were in charge, i would most definitely want everyone and anyone who found me out to be considered a nutter. makes em afraid of what others will think and won’t rock the boat. Seems to work really well, as you see. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2003, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/56 "2003-08-25T19:13:43Z")
vanilla: Please tell me that you’re kidding. ---
**Author:** ![JohnM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/848f3c/32.png) [@JohnM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnM)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2003, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/57 "2003-08-25T19:46:21Z")
**Vanilla** , while I’ve not read this particular David Icke book, I have read just about everything he has published on his web site. As a result, if David Icke stated that the sky was blue, I would want independent verification from at least 10 physicists, meteorologists, and other reputable scientists before I would believe it. As an antidote to Icke, I highly recommend the book [A Culture of Conspiracy](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0520238052/qid=1061840940/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/002-5324161-1873644?v=glance&s=books), which is a look at the modern conspiracy movement by a political scientist at Syracuse University. And, with Monty, I hope you’re kidding and we’ve been whooshed. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2003, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/58 "2003-08-25T23:38:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*vanilla: Please tell me that you’re kidding. \*\* no, I really am a member of the Birch Society. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2003, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/59 "2003-08-25T23:45:23Z")
Hey, I dig this Icke rap – makes Chomsky look like he’s just out of the _First Reader_. Thanks for the cites, gang. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2003, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549/60 "2003-08-25T23:59:32Z")
I meant tell me you’re kidding about believing the illuminati were behind the twin towers collapse, or anything else for that matter. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-about-that-illuminati/196549.md?page=4)