# How are the Clinton hating dems feeling now? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 25, 2022, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862 "2022-06-25T22:15:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2023, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/521 "2023-04-14T16:06:21Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > The foundation of your argument is flawed and the inevitable result of that is erroneous conclusions. …what is the Democrat plan to protect trans people in states like Florida, Texas and Virginia? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2023, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/522 "2023-04-14T16:12:54Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …what is the Democrat plan to protect trans people in states like Florida, Texas and Virginia? So you’re done with your dumbass Dianne Feinstein tantrum? Glad that’s over with. Give me a minute to catch up to these goal posts. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2023, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/523 "2023-04-14T16:13:34Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > I have been told that that is a common experience for stupid people. I dunno, man. You’re trying to use the success of a progressive governor as a stick to beat progressives for saying that the Democratic party needs to pursue more progressive policies if they want to be successful. Maybe he’s not the stupid one here. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2023, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/524 "2023-04-14T16:15:57Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > So you’re done with your dumbass Dianne Feinstein tantrum? …I didn’t have a “dumbass Dianne Feinstein tantrum.” I provided a cite, and made the case that the Democrats have known that Feinstein hasn’t been well for _years_ and didn’t do anything about it. > [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Glad that’s over with. Give me a minute to catch up to these goal posts. There is no plan. I’ve answered the question for you. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2023, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/525 "2023-04-14T16:18:56Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > The foundation of your argument is flawed and the inevitable result of that is erroneous conclusions. I didn’t even realize you were doing a bit until this part. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2023, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/526 "2023-04-14T16:28:20Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I dunno, man. You’re trying to use the success of a progressive governor as a stick to beat progressives for saying that the Democratic party needs to pursue more progressive policies if they want to be successful. I’m not really doing any of those things. He asserted that Democrats were ineffective in certain areas and I pointed to some successes in those exact areas. One of those successes occurred in Michigan hours before my post so I made it a Gretchen Whitmer theme. I’m a big fan of Gov. Whitmer. That in no way indicates that there aren’t Democratic successes from coast to coast and in between. e.g. > **[Massachusetts abortion protections bill signed into law by Gov. Charlie Baker](https://www.masslive.com/politics/2022/07/massachusetts-abortion-protections-bill-shielding-providers-and-patients-signed-into-law-by-gov-charlie-baker.html)** > > Lawmakers sent the bill to Gov. Charlie Baker's desk earlier this week, after an agreement was reached on abortions later in pregnancy. > **[Illinois Lawmakers Greenlight Enhanced Abortion Protections](https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/illinois/articles/2023-01-10/illinois-lawmakers-weigh-heightened-abortion-protections)** > > Illinois lawmakers approved during the last day of their lame-duck session a measure that would secure access to reproductive and gender-affirming health care > **[Colorado Becomes the 22nd State to Protect Abortion Rights | Center for...](https://reproductiverights.org/colorado-state-abortion-protections/)** > > While many states race to restrict or ban abortion, other states enact measures protecting rights and access. > **[Washington State lawmakers pass shield law for abortion procedures](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/washington-state-lawmakers-pass-shield-law-abortion-procedures)** > > Washington state legislators approved a shield law on Tuesday that offers protection to out-of-state gender-affirming and reproductive care patients and state officials. It’s like they’re working together toward some common goal. Like a plan or a strategy or something. > [@Miller](#): > > Maybe he’s not the stupid one here. You’ve moderate a board that @TriPolar has posted on for a long time. You know who the stupid one is. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2023, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/527 "2023-04-14T16:30:40Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > You’ve moderate a board that @TriPolar has posted on for a long time. You know who the stupid one is. Hey! The Mods are volunteers. There’s no need to call them stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2023, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/528 "2023-04-14T16:35:31Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > It’s like they’re working together toward some common goal. Like a plan or a strategy or something. Quick question for you on this very successful coast-to-coast strategy. Why are a bunch of individual states passing abortion legislation recently? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2023, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/529 "2023-04-14T16:42:53Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > It’s like they’re working together toward some common goal. Like a plan or a strategy or something. Yeah, and that plan is “push progressive policies and positions.” Like we told you you should have been doing six years ago. Glad you’re finally onboard. Too bad you couldn’t get there in time to stop Trump from becoming president. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2023, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/530 "2023-04-14T16:43:26Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Why are a bunch of individual states passing abortion legislation recently? To protect abortion rights in the wake of the Dobbs ruling. Is that a real question? Have you been paying attention? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2023, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/531 "2023-04-14T16:45:05Z")
Sir, I am drawing your razor-sharp intellect to one of the most obvious catastrophic failures of the Democrats nationally. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2023, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/532 "2023-04-14T16:45:37Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Yeah, and that plan is “push progressive policies and positions.” So the Democrats have a plan and it’s a plan you favor and you’re still pissed off. No pleasing some people. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2023, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/533 "2023-04-14T16:46:35Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Sir, I am drawing your razor-sharp intellect to one of the most obvious catastrophic failures of the Democrats nationally. I’m aware of it. Thank you. Not super relevant to any current discussion in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2023, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/534 "2023-04-14T16:48:42Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Too bad you couldn’t get there in time to stop Trump from becoming president. Wouldn’t it make more sense to blame the people that didn’t vote for Clinton in the general election rather than those that did? That was the chance to stop Trump, and the Democrats who stayed home or voted third party dropped the ball. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2023, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/535 "2023-04-14T16:49:54Z")
The fact that Democrats did not pass federal legislation to protect abortion, or manage to do anything at any time to prevent one of the most popular and important precedents we had from just being kicked directly over like a trash can isn’t relevant, in a thread entitled “How are the Clinton hating dems feelings now?”, to whether progressives should shut up because of how good the Democrats are doing? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/536 "2023-04-14T17:04:02Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > The fact that Democrats did not pass federal legislation to protect abortion […] This is a fantasy goal. There was no time in the past that it was possible to do this in a way that would have been even marginally effective. Democrats right now are doing the things that you want them to do. I don’t want you to shut up about it. I want you to celebrate it. Big win in Michigan yesterday on gun safety. Another big win on gun safety in Colorado is imminent. Illinois had their big win back in January. These are all great news. Please don’t shut up about them. The things you want to happen are happening. The ball is moving in the right direction. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2023, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/537 "2023-04-14T17:08:06Z")
This is all magical thinking, man. When you guys talk about Republicans’ actions, or when you talk about the state of the country _pre_-election, you gain an incredible level of clarity and say “we are living in a fascist theocracy and drastic measures are needed.” When you talk about Democrats’ actions post-election, no drastic measures having occurred, you’re like “everything is great actually.” The things we want aren’t happening. That’s the beginning and the end of it. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2023, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/538 "2023-04-14T17:09:37Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > So the Democrats have a plan and it’s a plan you favor and you’re still pissed off. No, I’m pissed off at lukewarm centrists who stand in the way of any positive change in the Democratic party, and then try to steal credit for it when the change happens despite their best efforts. Gretchen Whitmer is a progressive governor. Her success is a refutation of the old guard of the party, and a demonstration that the criticism about Clinton’s weaknesses as a candidate were right all along. It is justifiably frustrating to see the success of progressive policies co-opted by centrists who then turn around and use it as a cudgel on the very progressives who were pushing for these changes all along. > [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Not super relevant to any current discussion in this thread. And now we’ve settled the question of who the stupid one is in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![lum\_s\_husband](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lum_s_husband/32/3698_2.png) [@lum\_s\_husband](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lum_s_husband)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2023, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/539 "2023-04-14T17:10:30Z")
Once you realize that the Democratic Party cannot fail, only be failed (by voters) or stabbed in the back (by the Left), everything becomes clear. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2023, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/540 "2023-04-14T17:12:56Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > When you talk about Democrats’ actions post-election, no drastic measures having occurred, you’re like “everything is great actually.” Drastic measures have definitely occurred. It’s bizarre that you think I’m advancing that view. > [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > The things we want aren’t happening. That’s the beginning and the end of it. I’m sorry you didn’t want big wins on gun safety in Colorado, Illinois, and Michigan. I assumed you were for these things, but apparently you’re some kind of monster. I’ll keep that in mind. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862.md?page=28)