# How are the Clinton hating dems feeling now? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 25, 2022, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862 "2022-06-25T22:15:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/81 "2022-06-27T15:47:16Z")
A long-recognized flaw in the two party system has come home to roost. As long as the GOP was working to roll back a minority’s rights, the Democrats didn’t have to waste ant capital actually advocating for them. Example: 1980’s GOP “AIDS is God’s vengeance.” Democrats: okay gays, we can count on you in November (but not do shit otherwise). This was exacerbated in the next decade with neoliberal Dems including the Clintons, who believed that a deregulated free market would do things (like develop AZT) for profit better that a return to the New Deal could. (But we got a lot more Percocet than AZT. And private contractor wars. And artificial scarcity in affordable housing, etc. etc.) So now we have no more Democratic constituencies, just vote-farms. They don’t yield a crop so they go untended, and because they go untended they don’t yield a crop. And as long as the GOP has a constituency that wants that crop off the market, that’s good enough for the Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/82 "2022-06-27T16:14:14Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > I thought Trump was a joke candidate and Hillary’s victory was all but assured. I suspect voter fraud. Why do you think the repubs are so gung ho on attacking dems for it? Because they already successfully used it. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/83 "2022-06-27T16:56:49Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > I suspect voter fraud. Why do you think the repubs are so gung ho on attacking dems for it? Because they already successfully used it. I don’t believe there was any evidence of widespread voter fraud. There was evidence of foreign powers using social media to influence the election, but fraud as it’s classically defined? I don’t think so. I don’t want to fall down the same paranoid rabbit hole to find myself among Trump supporters. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/84 "2022-06-27T17:01:43Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > I don’t want to fall down the same paranoid rabbit hole to find myself among Trump supporters. It’s a nice hole. So warm and cozy. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/85 "2022-06-27T18:48:40Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > There was evidence of foreign powers using social media to influence the election, but fraud as it’s classically defined? I don’t think so. Vote fraud is really hard to pull off. Tricking people into voting for a bad candidate through trickery and lies is soooo much easier. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/86 "2022-06-27T18:50:53Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Vote fraud is really hard to pull off. > > Tricking people into voting for a bad candidate through trickery and lies is soooo much easier. - Perfectly said and perfectly accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/87 "2022-06-27T22:14:37Z")
That is largely because the Republicans (and Russians) were concentrating all of their fire at Clinton, and mostly leaving Sanders alone ([or in the case of the Russians, helping him](https://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-central-to-russias-pro-trump-2016-strategy-study-2019-4)) because they saw him as a good way to split the Dems. If Sanders was the nominee, then the guns would have turned on him full force. He would be tagged as a communist cranky old coot of a Jew whose loyalties lie more with Israel than with the good old US of A, who would be better of living in a Sanitarium that the white house. His election would outlaw personal property, and turn mid town American into 1970’s Moscow. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/88 "2022-06-28T00:26:30Z")
Good grief. This post is sane and accurate. What is it doing in this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/89 "2022-06-28T11:08:36Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > whose loyalties lie more with Israel than with the good old US of A As opposed to most Demoncrats, who oppose Israel and openly root for it to be overrun by Muslims. The great thing about the QOP is that both supporting and opposing Israel are equally bad, when done by a Demoncrat. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/90 "2022-06-28T16:57:01Z")
> [@Kron](#): > > I’m feeling about fucking sick of the right-wing (sorry, “centrist”) Democrats blaming ME for their failures. Remember, if a candidate alienates progressives, and they don’t vote, it’s the progressives’ fault for insisting on purity tests. But if a candidate alienates centrists, and they don’t vote, it’s the progressives’ fault for being too extreme. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2022, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/91 "2022-06-28T17:01:42Z")
I suppose? But that doesn’t check against the record number of voters in the last few presidential elections. I understand it’s a human impulse, but we’re drawing national level conclusions off the results of relatively close elections in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Minnesota (and maybe Georgia and North Carolina). ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/92 "2022-06-29T04:49:06Z")
Well, we certainly arent optimistic when we see op-eds like this; > **[The whispers of Hillary Clinton 2024 have started | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/28/politics/hillary-clinton-2024/index.html)** > > In the immediate aftermath of the Supreme Court's monumental decision to overturn Roe v Wade, conservative writer John Ellis took to the internet to make a provocative case: It was time for Hillary Clinton to make a(nother) political comeback. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/93 "2022-06-29T05:01:14Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Remember, if a candidate alienates progressives, and they don’t vote, it’s the progressives’ fault for insisting on purity tests. But if a candidate alienates centrists, and they don’t vote, it’s the progressives’ fault for being too extreme. Thank you! I’m glad someone finally said it. Those damn, whinny progressives, always pissing and moaning about their rights and liberties, all “tax the rich” and “people shouldn’t have to die because they can’t afford insurance in one of the richest countries on Earth.” Give me a _break!_ (((mmmmmm, KitKat bar. Arggggghhhh))) ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/94 "2022-06-29T05:08:42Z")
you wanna crap in the GOP’s corn flakes although shed never do it … have Michelle Obama run for pres … I remember some people wanted her for VP over harris and she said thanks but no thanks ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/95 "2022-06-29T08:22:59Z")
Or maybe the Dems can find a woman who _hadn’t_ been married to a President. Enough with the fucking nepotism. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/96 "2022-06-29T11:44:30Z")
I’m pitching it now. Laura Bush as a centrist with crossover appeal. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/97 "2022-06-29T11:49:53Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > [https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/28/politics/hillary-clinton-2024/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/28/politics/hillary-clinton-2024/index.html) **conservative writer** John Ellis took to the internet to make a provocative case: It was time for Hillary Clinton to make a(nother) political comeback. Ya know, maybe if it was someone with some credibility in the Democratic party this might be worthy of a story. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/98 "2022-06-29T12:41:51Z")
Maybe someone should see what Rosalynn Carter’s been up to lately. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/99 "2022-06-29T12:48:59Z")
You’re right. 75 isn’t nearly old enough to be part of the Democratic establishment. 95 is much more along the lines of the current party leadership. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/100 "2022-06-29T13:14:27Z")
There’s two aspects to the job of POTUS. Clinton would likely do a good job at governing. The problem is that in order to get there, she would have had to do a good job at the running for office aspect of the job, and we all know how that turned out. > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > “Democrats fall in love. Republicans fall in line.” and that’s the fucking problem. > [@DavidNRockies](#): > > I’ll just quote WJ Clinton again: > > Democrats fall in love. Republicans fall in line. > > Nice to see another circular firing squad. Carry on 😉 I agree. That’s why I hope Biden retires and Harris decides not to run in 2024. Let’s have a large primary (10-15 candidates is about right IMHO), and find out at the ballot box who Democrats fall in love with. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862.md?page=6)