# How are the Clinton hating dems feeling now? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 25, 2022, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862 "2022-06-25T22:15:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 276
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/276 "2022-07-07T01:05:42Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Okay, you are in competition with yourself on the stupidest utterances ever vomited onto a screen. …LOL. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > No one has elevated them to godhood here, I mean: you literally suggested that I “take it up with the founders.” I would take it up with the founders: except for the fact that they are very much dead right now. Unless you know something that I don’t. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > and in fact, anyone not as stupid as you would have seen my post as being critical of their choices in writing up the constitution. Oooooo. You were mildly critical of one of the bedrocks of your democracy before you conceded that there was pretty much nothing you could do about it right now. Damn, you are harsh. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > However, the constitution is what we have, and unless we choose to just ignore it, it’s what we have to follow. And you are following it right into authoritarianism. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > This is true. But, you seem to want to stick your nose into MY problem. Tell us how to run things, tell us to simply throw out the basic foundation of our country. I never suggested that you should throw out the basic foundation of your country. But now that you mention it: yeah, maybe you should. Maybe you are taking the proclamations of a bunch of long-dead-white-men just a tad too seriously. Maybe having an “unelected council of wizards” as one of the branches of the United States government wasn’t the greatest of ideas. Maybe basing your gun laws on the interpretation of a single sentence ratified in 1791 is a really stupid thing to do. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > Hyperbole won’t help you out here. “That the founders should never have been elevated to godhood” was actual hyperbole. What you have quoted here isn’t hyperbole at all. People _are_ being attacked for exercising their democratic right to do what they think is right. Whether those attacks are justified though is largely a matter of opinion. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > Sure, you are entitled to vote anyway your little heart desires. But, when the consequence of your choice of vote means that roe v wade gets overturned, you should own it. I can assure you that my vote didn’t result in the overturn of roe vs wade. I’m not going to own anything I’m not responsible for. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > I mean, if you want to take it as a badge of honor that you stick your nose in things you don’t understand and say stupid shit about them, then go ahead. Just keep in mind that you don’t know shit about what you are talking about. Ironically: > [@k9bfriender](#): > > Does it involved kicking and screaming, and if that doesn’t work, holding your breath until your face turns blue? That appears to be the approach you seem to be taking to me. The amount of vitriol you have decided to direct at me this week is all out of proportion to anything I have actually said. You’ve been angrier at me than I have ever seen you angry at anything over the last 20 odd years I’ve been at these boards. I don’t think I’ve said anything out of line. I don’t understand why you are angrier at me than I’ve ever seen you angry at the people that are actually destroying your country. I just don’t get it. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > I’ll feel better when people like you stop doing their damndest to harm my country. I think you just need to calm the fuck down a bit, to be honest. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > Or are you just competing with @Banquet_Bear and trying to take the title of the stupidest utterances ever? I mean: at least I never posted anything like this: > [@Democrats should have codified Roe v. Wade into Law narrative](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/democrats-should-have-codified-roe-v-wade-into-law-narrative/967131/122): > > Yes, it does. By doing so, you are working alongside Fox and Pravda to dissillision voters, to make them think there is no point in coming out to vote, that both sides are the same. If your complaints are limited to this messageboard, then whatever, but given your passion about how the US conducts its affairs, I doubt that they are. > [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Way to paint the _Mona Lisa_ with such a broad brush. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/NP6UGMV42HE/maxresdefault.jpg "Students recite Pledge of Allegiance") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP6UGMV42HE) You are indoctrinated to pledge allegiance to the flag and the republic as _kids_. The constitution is treated so reverently that when you invaded other countries, destroyed their infrastructure, killed their people, you imagined that all they had to do was create their own constitution and everything would be magically okay. Even the name “founding fathers” says it all really. Its not the “founding parents.” Or the “founding mothers and fathers.” Its the founding men. Or to be precise: the founding _white_ men. American society is shaped by the words of these long-dead-white-men. The indigenous people, the people bought to the country on slave-ships, women, they all had no say on any of this. Broad brush? From the outside looking in, you lot have no idea how weird everything is. America isn’t the “land of the free.” It **locks up more people per capita than anywhere else in the world**. It ranks only 25 on the Heritage (yes, the Heritage!) Foundation index of economic freedom and earns a “mostly free” badge. (For comparison NZ is number 4, and we earn the “free” badge. ) There is this mythical America everyone imagines in their head. But the real America ain’t no Mona Lisa. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862)._