# How are the Clinton hating dems feeling now? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 25, 2022, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862 "2022-06-25T22:15:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 618
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2023, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862/618 "2023-04-20T17:33:35Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Let me know which one of those you will love throwing under the bus in order to punish me for disagreeing with you on the electability of Sanders. You have repeatedly accused others of being disingenuous and misrepresenting the subject of the argument, but you’re framing this about something that has nothing to do with the problem. Bernie Sanders’ electability is not the problem. The problem is that there is a constant two-step being danced when it comes to “progressive Democrats.” If we’re talking about something that has not yet been tested, every Democrat is a progressive, because it’s just a box you check and say “I am for this.” But if we’re talking about something in the past, anyone who wanted Democrats to _do_ anything more progressive is an idealistic moron who doesn’t know how government works. It happens over and over again. Before an election? Pack the courts, reform the courts, defund, nuke the filibuster, prosecute people, get aggressive on this policy and that policy, it has to happen, the gloves are off, we’re the most progressive party there’s ever been. After a Democrat wins the election and is not aggressive on those things? Hey man, what did you want them to do? What are you, stupid? Never heard of _laws_ and _courts_? It’s just an article of faith that the way they do it is the best way. They’re being progressive by definition, they just are. There are actual conservative Democrats actively working against bread and butter liberal ideals, and they have to be catered to because that’s how government works. When progressives want to dig their heels in, they are children, traitors, “tankies,” terrorists. “The Democrats” are per se good guys, so if you don’t think it’s good for “the Democrats” do whatever they’re ultimately going to do, that makes you a bad guy. Like I said, I’m not interested in arguing about whether it’s true or not. It just keeps happening. Before something comes to a head, you’ll say you’re all civil rights crusaders and as progressive as you possibly can be. Same side, guys! After things come to a head, you’ll just say that whatever was accomplished was the most progressive possible outcome, and if anybody wants anything more, they’ll simply have to vote more for the people who accomplished it. There is never a time when those claims that the party is so progressive can ever be tested. [You can hop in a time machine and see it right here](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-progressives-to-blame-for-not-getting-these-bills-passed/953757/80). We are now in the “talking about it after it happened” phase. What was the answer to my question in November? What’s the answer to my question now? Were the progressives wrong? > [@Why are progressives to blame for not getting these bills passed?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-progressives-to-blame-for-not-getting-these-bills-passed/953757/80): > > [https://www.cbo.gov/publication/57601](https://www.cbo.gov/publication/57601) > > Just curious, since talking about these things _after_ they happen doesn’t tend to get me anywhere: > > Now that the CBO has said the cost score for the other bill won’t be ready by 11/15, and given that the “moderate” Democrats’ pledge was that they would vote for it _after_ they had the score, but _no later than_ 11/15, which now can’t happen, and given that in any event their statement was very ambiguous about what information they were waiting for and under what circumstances that information would be sufficient… > > if this is the first step in a process that results in the kind of administrative purgatory that has killed many a bill before this one, and the progressives ultimately don’t get the Build Back Better bill that they held out for and purportedly secured an agreement on, were they still in the wrong for holding out? Yes, right? It doesn’t matter what happens with the second bill, they should have just gone with the rest of the party? There’s no way they could have expected this kind of bureaucratic trash fire, so it doesn’t carry any significance to their political tactics if it does turn out that way? --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-are-the-clinton-hating-dems-feeling-now/966862)._