http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/003675.php
Kind of skewed don’t you think?
Lowest so far.
Well, yes…
Gotta call “cite” on this one. Whatchu talking 'bout, Willard?
Well, actually, Europeans in general, Sam, as I’m sure you know. Trying to characterize them as the “elite” is right out of the Tighty Righty playbook, and will be met with the contempt it deserves.
Careful. You’re very close to implying that the “terrorists” only oppose Bush. You’re not about to try and imply that, now are you, Sam
Bless 'em all. After all, you guys got Kid Rock. (No, I don’t know either, ask your kids…)
Another golden gem from the Playbook. Prove it.
And will again. And again. And if we represent such a puny, marginalized group, Sam, kindly explain the words “huge grassroots movements”.
No kidding? Might have forgotten, were it not for the fact that you repeat it with every drawn breath. But not just “us guys” lost, Sam, the country lost, as will become increasingly apparent.
Really? Have you any facts to back that wildly pessimistic assertion? Anything at all?
Looks like the 57% result was a blip.
And perhaps if such discussions and foam were limited to this message board you’d have a point. After all, only the ‘elite’ can get on a message board, ehe? However, it WASN’T limited to just message boards like the Straight Dope. Venom towards Bush could be found all over the place…on the web, in the protest marches, hell in what occured at the RNC. It was on TV, it was in the news…people saw it. Perhaps you are under some delusion that only the ‘elite’ are capable of going on the web and reading a web page, or seeing what was plain to everyone…the left was practically foaming at the mouth over Bush, and if you are going to associate every two bit righty group (like Swift Boats) directly with the 'Pubs, then it comes right back at you in spades.
Moveon.org and other organizations just like it weren’t available to only the elite, nor only viewed by them. Swift Boat Vets wasn’t nearly as pervasive as you seem to think it was, especially among the centrists who saw it in the same light as CBS trying to screw Bush by their revelations. I seriously doubt it made any difference at all (nor would the CBS story about Bush make a difference, even if it hadn’t been shot down so hard)…people who were for Kerry figured it was politically motivated tripe, people against him were already against him…the rest of us DIDN’T GIVE TWO SHITS.
Distortions abounded on both sides…as did out and out mudslinging. I can honestly say that most of the real heat and foam came from the LEFT in this last election. You can keep waving your hands and saying that it was much worse on the Bush side than the Kerry side, but its all relative and from my perspective no one in this past election can hold their head up high or claim some kind of moral high road.
Someone here is certainly in some serious denial…but it ain’t me rjung. Check your mirror.
-XT
We are certainly grateful for this clearly objective viewpoint, XT, based as it is on your rock-solid perceptions, undeniably factual impressions, and fundamentally irrefutable intuitions.
Got it the old fashioned way. He earned it.
Sam-
Your argument fails to hold water becuase if you notice none of the examples the OP cited had to do with policy. This administration came out and said absolutely there are WMDs in Iraq and was a threat to America. Whether they were simply wrong or lied about it shouldn’t matter. Any president who sends this country into war on such blatantly wrong reasons should not be re-elected. Any administration that has stooges in the press corp should be absolutely nailed to the wall. I mean for crying out loud they are paying the press to be shrills for their policy. How is Bush getting away with all of this?
I see a few possibilities. The electorate at large either doesn’t know about these violations, they don’t care or they don’t think its a problem.
The first to me is a pretty good choice. By and by as an electorate we are not very well informed.
The second is also a good choice becuase as a country we are exceedingly partisan. For a large number of people a Republican can come out for kicking puppies and stealing candy from babies and still be supported. Thats not to say the Democrats aren’t the same exact way.
As far as the third one goes I can’t imagine anyone could not see a problem with Bush’s actions. Then again I could be wrong.
Nobody familiar with your posting history, consisting mainly of paraphrased RW blog screeds such as the above, posted essentially as personal insults, and, when called on it, get replies such as yours here. Yawn. Please try, for once, to understand that your lack of facts and flaws of reasoning are the problem, not your personality, whatever it may be IRL. You are not under attack, your arguments are. Deal with it.
You’re capable of actually contributing substance here, rather than this kind of non-personal-insult-in-Sam-World:
Got a cite for any of that not-personal-insult stuff? Silly question, of course you don’t, why start now?
elucidator, I’ve looked at the thread heading a couple of times, now, and I don’t see Sam’s name on it as a discussion point. Keep your focus on the topic, not your opponent.
[ /Moderator Mode ]
Then my life is complete and my cup brimith over, 'luci. 
However, much as I’d like to take on the mantle of sage on this (yeah, I know you were being sarcastic), it would either take someone living under a rock or someone who is hopelessly partisan to not see what went on against Bush pretty much from day one of his presidency…and only got more frantic as time went on. There was no ‘high road’ in this election, or in the Dems or their lapdogs…or the Pubs and theirs. Both parties were simply striving to be the lesser of two evils…as usual.
Perhaps he did…at least some of it. Getting blasted about the war in Iraq, the economy, his stance on the environment…hell, myriad issues. All those are certainly legitimate targets for Bush to be called on. I certainly wouldn’t be one to argue that the man is a good president or has done a good job in his previous 4 years. Still, I don’t see how folks can claim some kind of ‘high road’ when anyone awake in the last 4 years has witnessed the level of venom directed at the man that went well above the mere issues. ‘He earned it’ just doesn’t seem to cut it for some of that venom, ya know? He no more ‘earned it’ than Clinton ‘earned’ what he got. Sounds like partisan bias to me 'luci…i.e. if its MY guy you shouldn’t say mean things, but when its yours anything goes…‘He earned it’. :dubious:
No real hope any of this is sinking through though, is there???
-XT
I think it’s important to note that the independent-counsel statute was allowed to expire under the Republican controlled Congress just as GWB assumed his office, hence you’ll never see any Kenneth Starr style investigations of this administration.
…yes, and as I recall it was the Dems who were happiest about this, as it would put an end to what they saw as politically motivated witch-hunts.
My psychic powers tell me the Democrats will not gain any seats in the House or Senate in the 2006 elections.
Bets now being taken. Put your money where your mouth is, Dems.
My psychic powers tell me Dems’ll be blamed for rising interest rates and the dropping dollar. My guess’s that it’ll be attributed to their ‘obstructionism’.
Friend Brutus has the essential question: who wins? This is precisely what has rotted out the Republican Party and transformed into a hollow mechanism for public manipulation, devoid of principle. Winning isn’t the main thing, its the only thing.
But sometimes progress is necessary, and unpopular. In the Texas of my youth, a segregationist could be well assured of popular support, and the candidate who stood on principle was assured defeat. But it was wrong: wrong for the people and wrong for the Republic.
He may well be right. Perhaps another harmless minority can be transformed into a national boogeyman, or perhaps another honorable man can be slandered. Whatever it takes, for the party of Willie Horton, there are no rules. Well, there is one rule, of course.
He is, of course, welcome to gloat over the triumph of cynicism, if it represents those values he holds dear, whatever they may be.
But segregationism is a principle. That wasn’t the same thing we see today. Ethically misguided as they might have been, segregationists fought for something the believed in. Today, it is a fight to win. And it isn’t just the Republicans. They, in cahoots with the Democrats, have blocked out all other parties from the process. The Democrats fought to win, too. They just lost is all.
I note with dismay that I have confused friend Brutus with Bricker. Such apologies as may be appropriate are hereby rendered.
As I said, the “blushing maiden” pose really doesn’t fly with me.
You might want to clarify that you mean “net gain”, right?
I heard the same speeches. I came away with the same “understanding” of the words that I distinctly heard.
Some already condone and authorize torture. Merely kicking puppies would be a step UP.