# How bad a scandal for you to \*not\* vote for Trump's 2020 Democratic opponent? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 17, 2019, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-bad-a-scandal-for-you-to-not-vote-for-trumps-2020-democratic-opponent/829704 "2019-02-17T03:47:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-bad-a-scandal-for-you-to-not-vote-for-trumps-2020-democratic-opponent/829704/21 "2019-02-17T17:12:08Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Under no circumstance would I vote for the rotting corpse of Hitler. Who’s his running mate? ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-bad-a-scandal-for-you-to-not-vote-for-trumps-2020-democratic-opponent/829704/22 "2019-02-17T17:31:46Z")
Zombie Goering. Ugh. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-bad-a-scandal-for-you-to-not-vote-for-trumps-2020-democratic-opponent/829704/23 "2019-02-17T17:48:58Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > The Dems could run the rotting corpse of Hitler and I wouldn’t hesitate a second to vote for him. It. Whatever. > [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Under no circumstance would I vote for the rotting corpse of Hitler. I hope the agreement to disagree on this matter does not create the sort of rift between us that precludes a minimum degree of comity in our interactions going forward. _Can Democrats Overcome Deepening Divisions in Run-Up to 2020 Elections?_ ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-bad-a-scandal-for-you-to-not-vote-for-trumps-2020-democratic-opponent/829704/24 "2019-02-17T18:02:24Z")
> [@Wrenching\_Spanners](#): > > Or the Democratic candidate could go full-blown left and back universal health care, … MY GOD! That is absolutely horrendous! I can’t imagine the suffering that would occur if the great and good United States of America started down that horrible road of universal health care. Imagine, providing health services for all citizens paid for by a common pool of resources! This would be the end of civilization as we know it. Surely, no other country has tried such a radical experiment and survived! I don’t know how you could even imagine such a hellhole. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-bad-a-scandal-for-you-to-not-vote-for-trumps-2020-democratic-opponent/829704/25 "2019-02-17T18:03:35Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > _Can Democrats Overcome Deepening Divisions in Run-Up to 2020 Elections?_ Another trumped-up scandal trying to tear the Democrats apart. Hitler’s rotting corpse wasn’t born in the United States and so is ineligible to run. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-bad-a-scandal-for-you-to-not-vote-for-trumps-2020-democratic-opponent/829704/26 "2019-02-17T18:04:40Z")
> [@UnwittingAmericans](#): > > 2020 may be a case where Dems end up being grateful for the Electoral College, if the purity wing doesn’t manage to fuck things up. There is no such thing as “bad enough” for them, anything is bad enough, especially the ones obsessed with sex and gender shit. I’m having a hard time seeing any scenario in which the Electoral College helps Democrats, no matter how good or bad the D candidate may be. The only way the EC helps you is if you lose the popular vote but hit 270 EVs anyway. How do the Ds do that? They’d have to somehow win swing states like Ohio, North Carolina and Florida while losing the national popular vote. No matter what, the EC always helps the Rs. A Wyoming voter has 3x the power of a Californian. Rural red states always carry more proportional weight. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-bad-a-scandal-for-you-to-not-vote-for-trumps-2020-democratic-opponent/829704/27 "2019-02-17T18:28:33Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Nothing that fits into the category of ‘scandal’ could get me to vote against the Dem nominee. Vote against or withhold your vote? I have a hard time ever imagining myself voting _for_ Donald Trump. The Dems would have to nominate someone along the lines of David Duke for that to happen. But there are certainly potential scandals weighty enough for me to just not vote at all. Certain criminal offenses for example - I’m not going to vote for someone who snaps under stress and punches out their spouse on the eve of the election. ---
**Author:** ![TimeWinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-bad-a-scandal-for-you-to-not-vote-for-trumps-2020-democratic-opponent/829704/28 "2019-02-17T18:53:53Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Seriously, I feel like we constantly fail to give this the shrift it deserves. The Trump administration followed a deliberate policy of separating young children from their families, locking them in cages, refusing to do any work to bring those families back together, and [handing those children off to Christian adoption agencies](https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2019/02/report-missing-migrant-children-being-funneled-through-christian-adoption-agency/?fbclid=IwAR3D7WSTnGE77s5UR1EdbVjK9w9COqyOmyFrRzvbicdRz0WiANfx0kB0ffY). This is a humanitarian tragedy. A fucking disgraceful policy on par with such classics as Japanese internment camps - indeed, Trump flunkies [keep on trying to rehabilitate the Japanese internment camps](https://newrepublic.com/article/138835/team-trump-keep-talking-japanese-internment), I wonder why. This. It should be the front page news of every paper, every day. We should be doing nothing else until it’s resolved and laws are in place to make sure it never happens again. The fact that after YEARS we still have concentration camps in the United States – for children, based on their race and skin color – should have cost Trump all of his supporters ages ago. It’s the absolute icing on the proof that conservatives _ **really are** _ as racist as the Dems have been claiming for years, no matter how strident their denials or attempts to redirect this into “name-calling. (The wall, only along the “brown people” border, helps, too.)” Nothing imaginable would get me not to vote for anyone other than his opponent unless that opponent could somehow managed to exceed this very, very high bar. The rotting corpse of Hitler would at least not be taking active malicious action. I would literally vote for the office to be left empty rather than allow Trump to continue in it. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-bad-a-scandal-for-you-to-not-vote-for-trumps-2020-democratic-opponent/829704/29 "2019-02-17T18:58:52Z")
If the Democrat pulls off his latex mask on national TV and reveals himself to actually be Trump in disguise. Or if Trump and the democrats both pull off masks and reveal themselves to be interchangeable space aliens. In that case, I’d go ahead and vote third party and throw my vote away. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-bad-a-scandal-for-you-to-not-vote-for-trumps-2020-democratic-opponent/829704/30 "2019-02-17T19:41:32Z")
Were Trump Kang and the Democrat Kodos, I’d vote for Kodos. Not because they’re a Democrat but because they’re not Trump. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-bad-a-scandal-for-you-to-not-vote-for-trumps-2020-democratic-opponent/829704/31 "2019-02-17T20:31:56Z")
If the Dem nominate Harris, I will vote 3rd party. Only because I know CA is a safe Dem state. I think voting third party in a swing state is extremely stupid. Despite Hillary’s faults, she would be a 1000 times better than Trump. I despise the third party voters who bought into the Kremlins propaganda that Hillary was just as bad as Trump. I’d wish them to go to Hell, but they are currently in a hell of their own making- the current USA, and the fascist dictatorship it is possibly on the way to becoming. ---
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-bad-a-scandal-for-you-to-not-vote-for-trumps-2020-democratic-opponent/829704/32 "2019-02-17T21:14:40Z")
Put me down with those who say the Democrats couldn’t possibly nominate anyone worse than Trump. And I wouldn’t go 3rd party under any circumstance either since any vote not for the Democratic nominee is a vote that helps Trump. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-bad-a-scandal-for-you-to-not-vote-for-trumps-2020-democratic-opponent/829704/33 "2019-02-17T21:23:39Z")
> [@Fugazi](#): > > Put me down with those who say the Democrats couldn’t possibly nominate anyone worse than Trump. And I wouldn’t go 3rd party under any circumstance either since any vote not for the Democratic nominee is a vote that helps Trump. This cannot be overstated. Fuck your stupid sense of self worth - if you vote for a third party candidate you are worse than a Trump supporter because you know better and yet you enabled this fucking prick. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-bad-a-scandal-for-you-to-not-vote-for-trumps-2020-democratic-opponent/829704/34 "2019-02-17T21:35:45Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > This cannot be overstated. Fuck your stupid sense of self worth - if you vote for a third party candidate you are worse than a Trump supporter because you know better and yet you enabled this fucking prick. “Fuck your stupid sense of self-worth” That’s a hell of a voting slogan Cotton. let’s see if THAT appeals to the 3rd party voters and the sit-at-homes any better than “Russian stooge” and “BernieBro” I said it two years ago and I’ll say it again. Dracarys. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-bad-a-scandal-for-you-to-not-vote-for-trumps-2020-democratic-opponent/829704/35 "2019-02-17T21:38:33Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I’m having a hard time seeing any scenario in which the Electoral College helps Democrats, no matter how good or bad the D candidate may be. The only way the EC helps you is if you lose the popular vote but hit 270 EVs anyway. How do the Ds do that? They’d have to somehow win swing states like Ohio, North Carolina and Florida while losing the national popular vote. > > No matter what, the EC always helps the Rs. A Wyoming voter has 3x the power of a Californian. Rural red states always carry more proportional weight. Florida just added some 3 million voters who are overwhemingly going to vote D. ---
**Author:** ![BeenJammin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beenjammin/32/448_2.png) [@BeenJammin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeenJammin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-bad-a-scandal-for-you-to-not-vote-for-trumps-2020-democratic-opponent/829704/36 "2019-02-17T22:14:12Z")
Read the thread title and just started laughing - not even really sure exactly what at. Did not read the thread, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-bad-a-scandal-for-you-to-not-vote-for-trumps-2020-democratic-opponent/829704/37 "2019-02-17T22:24:21Z")
Um… rape/torture/murder, proven and documented? The revelation of his/her explicit secret plans to commit genocide if elected? Apart from that, nothing. And even then I’d go third party or write-in rather than actively choosing Trump. (I’m in New York anyway, and our vote is safe, thank God. I love my glorious blue state!) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-bad-a-scandal-for-you-to-not-vote-for-trumps-2020-democratic-opponent/829704/38 "2019-02-17T22:31:45Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > This cannot be overstated. Fuck your stupid sense of self worth - if you vote for a third party candidate you are worse than a Trump supporter because you know better and yet you enabled this fucking prick. Well, in a swing state, at least, yes. In CA or NY, you can vote for martians, it wouldnt matter. But yes, third party voters voted trump in. They are every much to blame as MAGA hat wearing , redneck racists. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-bad-a-scandal-for-you-to-not-vote-for-trumps-2020-democratic-opponent/829704/39 "2019-02-17T22:40:09Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > I voted for a third party candidate last time and could well do that again. How’d that work out for you? > [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > “Fuck your stupid sense of self-worth” > > That’s a hell of a voting slogan Cotton. let’s see if THAT appeals to the 3rd party voters and the sit-at-homes any better than “Russian stooge” and “BernieBro” > > I said it two years ago and I’ll say it again. Dracarys. And do you believe voting for a 3rd party candidate in 2020 will bring about whatever changes in government you hope to happen? ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2019, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-bad-a-scandal-for-you-to-not-vote-for-trumps-2020-democratic-opponent/829704/40 "2019-02-17T22:52:38Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > I said it two years ago and I’ll say it again. Dracarys. Translation please [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-bad-a-scandal-for-you-to-not-vote-for-trumps-2020-democratic-opponent/829704.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-bad-a-scandal-for-you-to-not-vote-for-trumps-2020-democratic-opponent/829704.md?page=3)