How Bad Was Claudine Gay's Plagiarism? [She resigned, Jan 2, 2024]

I’m still not seeing that much plagiarism. The big one cited in the WaPo article was something she did as a student and really shouldn’t matter. The rest is often characterized as serious plagiarism but I haven’t seen the text.

And I still don’t think it matters, at least to the extent that serious plagiarism has been shown. I’m sure her works include plenty of wholesale rewriting of content from existing papers with little to no introduction of original concepts, just as most academic output does.

If she were doing her job capably I don’t think the minor plagiarism I’ve seen here should matter. If it didn’t happen her failure to deal with antisemitism at Harvard and represent Harvard in a congressional hearing is reason enough to question her ability to perform her job.

Thanks for that link. I don’t think I’d seen that whole paragraph she lifted verbatim without any citation, and a paragraph that is not boilerplate, either. That is a concerning example.

I don’t see though why everyone’s so heated up about the acknowledgements. Surely no one cares about that? (Maybe this is a difference between STEM and the humanities, though. In my STEM experience, no one really cares about how you structure your acknowledgements – I suspect you could take the wording wholesale from someone else’s and I don’t think anyone would notice, much less think it mattered.)

Anyway, I stand by what I said in my earlier comment. Anyone could do something like this once or twice and I wouldn’t think it was anything but sloppiness in not citing sources (as @TriPolar says) – and I suspect that’s why she got away with it; anyone who did see it thought it was just once or twice. But the number of times she’s done it is really not good. And the example in the Washington Post piece is even worse.

I understand her environment is not mine, but my lens for this was from 30 years as a Naval Officer.

Commanding Officers of ships and squadrons that are fired are frequently done so due to “loss of confidence.” This usually means that Navy looked into one issue that might not have been cause for removal on its own, but when coupled with other shortcomings become additive nature, which in turn cause leadership to “lose confidence” in the Officers ability to command. They are then relieved.

As the issues around Dr. Gay continued to drip over several days and then weeks, I kept thinking “loss of confidence.”

So, I think your effort to separate one shortcoming from another misses the point. She was fired due to the totality of her miscues.

Nailed it! Great post.

Harvard is supposed to have the highest standards, no?

And why did you hide most of the details in the link.

Yeah, that’s way worse than anything I’ve heard of at Harvard.

Can i ask that someone start a new thread for “antisemitism on college campuses”, or something like that? Because there’s way more to unpack there than fits in the topic if this thread.

It was UVM. Nationally no one cared. Vermont? Certainly it did not serve the conservative agenda against the elites. And Jewish students there ended up accepting the eventual outcome as reasonable. Plus Jewish students tended to more often be of more privileged backgrounds (out of state paying more) so really sucked a lot of it up.

I’ll second thism

Didn’t she resign? Yes, the totality of it would have been sufficient to move her out one way or another, but the plagiarism matter nor any other should have been necessary. And the plagiarism by itself, as I have been able to see, is not good enough reason to fire her in itself, and it probably would not have led to a sufficient loss of confidence to remove her.

The most serious case presented so far was from when she was a student. I don’t see why that is important at all as concerns her job. I don’t think ‘sloppiness’ in failing to provide citations is something to simply forget about, it’s very easy to make sure you don’t copy another’s words unintentionally and the failure to do so may indicate more serious problems, but that isn’t being shown here.

I think you will find plenty of the same problems if the output of all students and academics was examined in this detail and her case would not stand out among the many much more serious cases of plagiarism. Certainly going back to the 90s when she was a student will turn up a lot of it because there was not yet a simple way to find possible plagiarism with computers. In the past 20 years at least it is a more serious matter to fail to check for possible plagiarism. Sloppiness may not be a crime but it makes the product of an academic questionable.

Directly? No. It is what this web site often cited by Claudine Gay’s opponents calls “abstract advocacy of violence.”

I think it is a bit like holocaust denial. I find it hard to not see holocaust denial as being a faint to hide actual holocaust support, but it isn’t a direct threat.

For decades, we had a tenured holocaust denying English professor in Philadelphia, one Austin App – and students were not harmed. I think this is what true academic freedom looks like, and it is not always comfortable.

Many find Gay’s testimony obviously bad, but I can’t see it, even after reading about her apology. If she had a double-standard when it came to free speech, that’s bad. Maybe if I was a Harvard student today, going to seminar classes, I would see that students friendly to Israel, calmly expressing opinions relevant to that week’s topic, were being shut down, and that administration did nothing. But I’m not convinced. The example of a double-standard I’ve seen most often mentioned by Gay’s opponents is the alleged cancellation, by Gay when a Dean, of semi-conservative Harvard Professor of Economics Roland G. Fryer, Jr. But whatever you think of Fryer – who apologized for hostile environment sexual harassment – it is a way different situation.

Sorry if this is deemed the belong in another thread. I put it here because it is so obvious, to me anyway, that Gay was pressured to resign because of the congressional testimony. And the reason the GOP called her to testify was the alleged double-standard. Without the alleged double-standard, following the first amendment clearly allows Globalize the Intifada, and even Elise Stefanik must know that.

The Harvard corporation voted to support her after the congressional testimony. And i believe they would have stuck by that had it not been for the plagiarism.

I made the thread.

Thanks! Henceforth, please try to keep this thread on the topic of plagiarism.

Can we discuss the broader aspects of her resignation as it is now part of the thread title? For example there’s an undertone of racism among some of her critics that I think plays into understanding the entire situation.

Sure, I think that makes sense. And also, the potential “loss of confidence” is relevant, as a counterpoint to the plagiarism.

Of course, you mean that a Harvard student would be sanctioned if the plagiarism was discovered.

It took fourteen days, after Gay’s testimony, for the first batch of plagiarism examples to be published by a right-wing web site. This suggests that the specific kind of plagiarism she engaged in takes is hard to find and thus rarely discovered.

As for how bad the plagiarism was, if I was a college professor, and I noticed it in a paper handed in, I would be influenced by the overall quality of work. If one paragraph in a no-grade-inflation-involved
A+ term paper was plagiarized, and I was convinced by prior office hours discussions that the work was original and the unfortunate paragraph an error, I would be looking for a way to play down the problem.

And I’d apply the same thinking to faculty.

I fear this does raise the issue of whether Gay’s oeuvre is what you’d expect of someone holding an endowed chair in the Department of Government. Maybe she was almost as qualified to be Wilbur A. Cowett Professor of Government as to be president! Brilliant articles count! But, when I look at other holders of Harvard Government endowed chairs, they have super-impressive resumes. Daniel Ziblatt seems the only one where I read a book by them, but I just reserved Cuz: The Life and Times of Michael A. by Danielle Allen. Here is her centrist-sounding Washington Post column on the Claudine Gay situation:

We’ve lost our way on campus. Here’s how we can find our way back.

At least one of her eleven books (some are compilations, but, still, eleven) is on philosophy of education. Was she considered for president? Somehow I am thinking that Allen could better withstand the unlikely finding of some sloppiness in long-ago articles than Gay did.

Gift link to Washington Post column in last post:

Excellent quote from the article:

In the other thread, a question was asked:

The answer is, for the same reason that the brackets exist in “The Civil War was about States’ Rights [to legalize owning Black people as property]”.

…that would be this thread. Happy to address this in the other thread if you bring it up there.

Moderating:

This is getting off topic again.

The former president is a former colleague and friend of mine. He’s now the president of Talladega College, an HBCU in Alabama. To be clear, Penn’s investigation allowed him to make revisions to his dissertation - in the literature review.

And not to have a go at Jackmannii, but the accusations are typically what get the white hot media focus. If the infractions are determined to be minor and/or correctable that’s usually a below-the-fold story.

I won’t rehash most of what’s been said. I did sit on the one of the Committee of Rights and Responsibiilities for two years at Harvard when I was in graduate school, which is the equivalent of a j-board. In the two years I served, I can recall one expulsion (centered on verified criminal behavior). The remainder were educational sanctions where students were allowed to either make changes and resubmit, or enroll in a class, or simply receive a grade of zero on an assignment. There is also a time-limited separation that may have been assigned (usually when a student was going through emotional distress or a mental health situation) but they were allowed to return.

So the refrain commonly posted on social media “if this was a student they would have been expelled” is inaccurate. Plagiarism (in this case, misattribution, poor or unclear citations) is a different stripe than cheating on an exam. Short of outright cheating - like getting a test file and copying answers - most cases of academic dishonesty are hopefully educational in nature. While there is a Harvard guide for “Writing with Sources,” I suspect most students do not read it.

Another issue that has not been discussed are the rules around citation, which do change. When I was dissertating, we used the APA 5th Edition stylebook. Today, the 7th edition is used. There are changes. A legitimate investigation would have to use the rules for citation and sourcing that were in effect when Gay defended her dissertation - 1997, I believe. I don’t think the rules would have changed that much, but still, that’s what should be done.

I did some perusing of the evidence (not all). I saw one example when Gay stated that the Voting Rights Act was the most significant legislation of the 20th century. Another source stated something almost verbatim. There are principles and statements of opinion in my field - say, the centrality of Brown v. Board of Education to educational equity - that any researcher in the field would likely posit without a need for attribution. Another example I saw was a description of a statistical finding. There’s really no way to describe interactions and effects without using very similar language. So if those examples are the basis for the charges, I suspect a complete examination of the charges (which would take time and nuance) would find many like this.

The framing that’s problematic is I see breathless reporting of “60 examples of plagiarism!” that doesn’t reflect if they are common statements of fact or generally held opinion which are in other works, misattributions or poor citations, or on the extreme end, outright theft of original ideas and findings. An investigation could not be done during a media news cycle - it would take time and the expertise of those working in the field.

Another thought is that in an academic career, much of the literature and methodological framing of one’s work will be similar. Where the alleged plagiarism appears is also significant. In a literature review or methods section, the author is not arguing an original idea; they are building the basis for the context of their study. In a findings or analysis section - that’s really problematic.

Last thought - researchers, even ones trained at Harvard, are human and make errors. I suspect most of us who have published frequently will have phrases or sections in our writings that are similar - particularly, if one publishes in research venues as well as practioner venues where you’re translating findings from a peer reviewed journal into a book chapter, for instance. The more one publishes the more likely this is to be the case.

Ideally, Harvard would acknowledge these concerns and investigate - taking the time to do this work correctly. Sort of what Plagiarism Today recommended. Personally, I think it’s absurd to think that being an academic leader, and being one at a selective institution such as Harvard, somehow means that mistakes cannot be made or rectified. We have US presidents and Supreme Court justices who have been accused of plagiarism. If an unbiased investigation finds that the allegations are severe enough to warrant a sanction - retraction, or even demotion - then that should be what happens. It could also be that the allegations rise to the level of corrections, which should also happen.

But in many ways, the breathless reporting and simplistic parroting of bad faith actors has poisoned the well. Would anyone remember that Gay was exonerated, or found to have made minor errors that were correctible six months from now? Interestingly, the spouse of Bill Ackman, one of the most vocal commenters regarding Gay’s academic integrity, has also made attribution errors in her work. (I looked at these and also found them to be minor and correctible.) I’ll also say her response is an honest and good one. But it does show that the issue is probably more common than most think. And I certainly don’t think it warrants anything more than correcting the errors. But the promulgators of this incident probably aren’t going to demand her resignation, or claim that the errors somehow mean that she is unqualified to hold her position, are they?