# How can a loving God let Johnny M post here? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 26, 2006, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-a-loving-god-let-johnny-m-post-here/381814 "2006-11-26T03:04:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2006, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-a-loving-god-let-johnny-m-post-here/381814/101 "2006-11-27T17:25:51Z")
[QUOTE=Uvula Donor] You contain so much stupid that it oozes from your pores. [/QUOTE] I think you have missed your calling for writing Hallmark Cards. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2006, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-a-loving-god-let-johnny-m-post-here/381814/102 "2006-11-27T17:46:26Z")
[QUOTE=hajario] Look at **Miller** ā€™s response in post #23. He was plenty snarky but he addressed the issues and did a damn fine job of it. As I said earlier, **Polycarp** also made an excellent post. Neither one of them was easy on **johnny** but they at least addressed the issue in an intelligent way. Thatā€™s what I would expect in a GD thread. [/QUOTE] I appreciate the kind words, but letā€™s not kid ourselves. I wrote that post purely for my own amusement, and not in the expectation that **johnny M** would actually read or comprehend it. Responding to one of **johnny** ā€™s posts is to a real Great Debate what playing t-ball is to pitching in the World Series. **Eve** ā€™s response is every bit as valid as mine, and probably a better use of her resources. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2006, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-a-loving-god-let-johnny-m-post-here/381814/103 "2006-11-27T17:52:42Z")
I still donā€™t get the hate. He really seems like a harmless loon. His threads are silly, but thereā€™s a lot worse out there, and heā€™s only started 2 in GD and 1 in the comments forum. Heā€™s not nearly as annoying as, say, **Bible Man**. No disrespect to **Eve** , but Johnny M seems like the least pit-worthy buffoon we have. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2006, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-a-loving-god-let-johnny-m-post-here/381814/104 "2006-11-27T19:11:23Z")
[QUOTE=Uvula Donor] You contain so much stupid that it oozes from your pores. [/QUOTE] Yay! A pimple thread! ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2006, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-a-loving-god-let-johnny-m-post-here/381814/105 "2006-11-27T19:41:21Z")
[QUOTE=Larry Borgia] I still donā€™t get the hate. He really seems like a harmless loon. His threads are silly, but thereā€™s a lot worse out there, and heā€™s only started 2 in GD and 1 in the comments forum. Heā€™s not nearly as annoying as, say, **Bible Man**. No disrespect to **Eve** , but Johnny M seems like the least pit-worthy buffoon we have. [/QUOTE] I agree. and the comments wrt to newbieness are also appropriate. A pile on for a guest? not so much, IMHO, especially since it seems that their sins amount to be: not particularly skilled at debate, spelling, grammar, not familiar w/the social skills around here. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2006, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-a-loving-god-let-johnny-m-post-here/381814/106 "2006-11-27T19:44:56Z")
[QUOTE=Shirley Ujest] [QUOTE=Uvula Donor] You contain so much stupid that it oozes from your pores. [/QUOTE] I think you have missed your calling for writing Hallmark Cards. šŸ˜ƒ [/QUOTE] Nothing says ā€œI Love Youā€ like brutal, unrelenting honesty. Extra bile and contempt free of charge. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2006, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-a-loving-god-let-johnny-m-post-here/381814/107 "2006-11-27T19:58:46Z")
[QUOTE=hajario] Fair enough but I am not at all insulted. [/QUOTE] There is some communication breakdown here. You claim that something is a ā€œworse insult,ā€ and that I used it in reference to you, but you were not insulted. Now if you were not insulted, how can it be an insult at all, at least as far as you are concerned? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2006, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-a-loving-god-let-johnny-m-post-here/381814/108 "2006-11-27T20:19:44Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] There is some communication breakdown here. [/quote] Clearly. > [@](#): > > You claim that something is a ā€œworse insult,ā€ and that I used it in reference to you, but you were not insulted. Now if you were not insulted, how can it be an insult at all, at least as far as you are concerned? ā€œYouā€™re a fucking assholeā€ is a worse insult than ā€œYouā€™re a jerkā€ but I wouldnā€™t feel personally insulted if I was called either of those things in the Pit because I donā€™t take it personally. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2006, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-a-loving-god-let-johnny-m-post-here/381814/109 "2006-11-27T20:28:16Z")
[QUOTE=hajario] ā€œYouā€™re a fucking assholeā€ is a worse insult than ā€œYouā€™re a jerkā€ but I wouldnā€™t feel personally insulted if I was called either of those things in the Pit because I donā€™t take it personally. [/QUOTE] If you were not insulted, there was no insult. Q.E.D. Neither ā€˜fucking assholeā€™ or ā€˜jerkā€™ is an insult **as far as you are concerned** , because you would not be insulted by those terms. As a corollary, you are in no position to judge what might be an insult to me. If you accuse me of using ā€˜a worse insultā€™ when referring to you, you were either insulted, or lying about it. It as a remarkable twisting of the language to claim that an insult was levied, yet no insult occurred. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2006, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-a-loving-god-let-johnny-m-post-here/381814/110 "2006-11-27T20:40:20Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] If you accuse me of using ā€˜a worse insultā€™ when referring to you, you were either insulted, or lying about it. It as a remarkable twisting of the language to claim that an insult was levied, yet no insult occurred. [/QUOTE] This is a matter of semantics. Maybe I am using the word incorrectly. If you believe that I am a liar, so be it. ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2006, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-a-loving-god-let-johnny-m-post-here/381814/111 "2006-11-27T20:41:35Z")
[QUOTE=johnny M] Read my message on the great deate borad [/QUOTE] What the heck is a ā€œdeate boradā€ and what makes it so great? [QUOTE=Uvula Donor] You contain so much stupid that it oozes from your pores. [/QUOTE] I must agree with **Shirley** , that is indeed a Hallmark quality greeting. I should draw a cartoon to go with it ā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2006, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-a-loving-god-let-johnny-m-post-here/381814/112 "2006-11-27T21:03:15Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] If you were not insulted, there was no insult. Q.E.D. Neither ā€˜fucking assholeā€™ or ā€˜jerkā€™ is an insult **as far as you are concerned** , because you would not be insulted by those terms. [/quote] I donā€™t think thatā€™s true. If I insult you in Hungarian, and you donā€™t speak Hungarian, have you not been insulted? I think the intent behind a statement matters here at least as much as how it has been received. **Hajario** can perceive when something was intended to insult him. That he does not give a shit about being insulted does not alter the intent behind the original insult. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2006, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-a-loving-god-let-johnny-m-post-here/381814/113 "2006-11-27T21:18:11Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] I donā€™t think thatā€™s true. If I insult you in Hungarian, and you donā€™t speak Hungarian, have you not been insulted? I think the intent behind a statement matters here at least as much as how it has been received. **Hajario** can perceive when something was intended to insult him. That he does not give a shit about being insulted does not alter the intent behind the original insult. [/QUOTE] That is exactly what I was trying to say but I actually came back here to say that maybe ā€œpejorativeā€ would have been a better word there than ā€œinsult.ā€ ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2006, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-a-loving-god-let-johnny-m-post-here/381814/114 "2006-11-27T23:04:19Z")
[QUOTE=Ponder Stibbons] What the heck is a ā€œdeate boradā€ and what makes it so great? [/QUOTE] Well, ā€œde-ateā€ is obviously a past tense for something that is the reverse of eating, i.e., vomiting. And ā€œboradā€ is obviously ā€œBoratā€ as rendered by someone who, like **Johnny M** , does not care for majuscule letters, and who tends to pronounce words with the final consonant voiced (the reverse of German and Russian). Ergo, a ā€œdeate boradā€ is a bulimic Kazakh. Yours for fighting ignorance Poly ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2006, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-a-loving-god-let-johnny-m-post-here/381814/115 "2006-11-27T23:19:39Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] I donā€™t think thatā€™s true. If I insult you in Hungarian, and you donā€™t speak Hungarian, have you not been insulted? I think the intent behind a statement matters here at least as much as how it has been received. **Hajario** can perceive when something was intended to insult him. That he does not give a shit about being insulted does not alter the intent behind the original insult. [/QUOTE] Huh? No, if I someone speaking Hungarian insults me, I have not been insulted. I do not speak Hungarian. It is just noise to me. He may have intended it as an insult, but I cannot understand it as an insult. If you need to know a particular medical procedure in order to save a friendā€™s life, and you are given instructions in Hungarian, have you been told anything? The Hungarian doctor certainly \*intended \*to tell you how to go about it. A Hungarian could certainly insult me using sign language. It is all moot, as \*\*Hajario \*\*himself determined that the phrase was an insult, and then claimed not to be insulted by it. How did he come by this determination? If it is not an i_nsult in his frame of reference_, it is not an insult. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2006, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-a-loving-god-let-johnny-m-post-here/381814/116 "2006-11-28T00:01:33Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] Huh? No, if I someone speaking Hungarian insults me, I have not been insulted. I do not speak Hungarian. It is just noise to me. He may have intended it as an insult, but I cannot understand it as an insult. [/quote] You have not been insulted, which is to say, you donā€™t feel that specific emotion. However, that does not make what I said not an insult. Your inability to comprehend what was said does not change the nature of what was said. Let me put it this way. If I insult you in Hungarian, and you donā€™t understand Hungarian, what have I just said to you? Itā€™s not ā€œjust noise,ā€ because I had a clear and specific meaning behind what I said. If itā€™s not an insult, what is it? > [@](#): > > If you need to know a particular medical procedure in order to save a friendā€™s life, and you are given instructions in Hungarian, have you been told anything? The Hungarian doctor certainly \*intended \*to tell you how to go about it. Yes. Iā€™ve been told how to perform a medical procedure. That I did not understand what I was told is a secondary issue. > [@](#): > > It is all moot, as Hajario himself determined that the phrase was an insult, and then claimed not to be insulted by it. How did he come by this determination? If it is not an insult in his frame of reference, it is not an insult. Sure it is. If I throw a punch at you, and you duck, Iā€™ve still thrown a punch. That it didnā€™t connect does not change the intent behind my swinging my fist at you. I think youā€™re confusing two seperate, but closely related, concepts: ā€œinsultā€ as a noun or verb, and ā€œinsultā€ as an adjective. If I say, ā€œFuck you,ā€ that an insult (noun). Iā€™m being insulting (verb). However, if you donā€™t understand me, or donā€™t care about me, you might not feel insulted (adjective). An insult (noun) is an attempt to change your internal state to insulted (adj). If I donā€™t achieve the adjective, that does not mean I did not employ the noun. ---
**Author:** ![Othersider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/cab0a1/32.png) [@Othersider](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Othersider)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2006, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-a-loving-god-let-johnny-m-post-here/381814/117 "2006-11-28T06:15:41Z")
We need more limericks. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2006, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-a-loving-god-let-johnny-m-post-here/381814/118 "2006-11-28T09:49:08Z")
Wait. They crucified Ronnie James Dio? I thought he and Tony Iommi and the boys were getting back togetherā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2006, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-a-loving-god-let-johnny-m-post-here/381814/119 "2006-11-28T11:51:27Z")
[QUOTE=Othersider] We need more limericks. šŸ˜ƒ [/QUOTE] Limericks are good: But when all is said and done I prefer haiku. ---
**Author:** ![KSO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@KSO](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KSO)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2006, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-a-loving-god-let-johnny-m-post-here/381814/120 "2006-11-28T12:16:52Z")
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