# How can anyone vote for Trump in 2020? No. But Seriously **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 19, 2020, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506 "2020-08-19T18:09:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/181 "2020-08-21T16:54:24Z")
PUTNAM COUNTY GEORGIA, JUNE 13, 2017. Ricky Dubose, a member of the Ghostface Gangsters white supremacist prison gang, and another inmate, Donnie Russell Rowe, reportedly **killed two corrections officers while trying to escape from a prison bus**. They were later recaptured. ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/182 "2020-08-21T17:00:15Z")
Here’s the best one yet: TAMPA, FLORIDA, MAY 19, 2017. **White** **supremacist** Devon Arthurs allegedly shot to death two of his roommates for making fun of his **recent** **conversion to Islam.** All three, and a fourth roommate, were members of Atomwaffen, a neo-Nazi group. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/183 "2020-08-21T17:01:45Z")
[https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/08/our-reporters-are-crazy.php](https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/08/our-reporters-are-crazy.php) “Not because of Trump, who is generally a voice of sanity” By Hypnos, how can anybody take Power Line seriously? I looked at a few of their climate change articles. Pure garbage. Yeah, get better sources of information agzem. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/184 "2020-08-21T17:07:19Z")
I like how you bolded “recent conversion to Islam.” Those damn Muslims right? As soon as they convert they become so violent! You do realize listing these things doesn’t actually help your case right? Actually, I’m guessing you don’t realize that. So umm listing these doesn’t actually help your case. Just letting you know. It can save you some time and electrons. ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/185 "2020-08-21T17:09:16Z")
[quote=“BeepKillBeep, post:184, topic:918506”]I like how you bolded “recent conversion to Islam.” Those damn Muslims right? As soon as they convert they become so violent [/quote] According to the ADL that is right-wing violence ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/186 "2020-08-21T17:15:23Z")
> [@agzem](#): > > According to the ADL that is right-wing violence Read the sentence again. Slowly. > [@agzem](#): > > **White** **supremacist** Devon Arthurs allegedly shot to death two of his roommates for making fun of his **recent** **conversion to Islam.** All three, and a fourth roommate, were members of Atomwaffen, a neo-Nazi group. What is your understanding of socio-political leanings of neo-nazis and white supremacists? ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/187 "2020-08-21T17:16:51Z")
[https://florida.adl.org/news/neo-nazi-group-with-tampa-ties-called-real-threat-by-anti-defamation-league/](https://florida.adl.org/news/neo-nazi-group-with-tampa-ties-called-real-threat-by-anti-defamation-league/) Yeah, it wasn’t the shooting. It is the "Anti-Defamation League and says the fact the Atomwaffen Division had bomb-making materials and plans to attack real facilities show they are a dangerous group. “The targets included nuclear plants, synagogues and civilians,” Mendelson said. “And so regardless if they had the capability of carrying it out, the fact that they even had this idea that they would plot to hatch this plan is of great concern.”" So again, to be clear, showing how often white supremacists are shooting people doesn’t exactly help your case. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/188 "2020-08-21T17:24:36Z")
I think that what he is trying to say is that white supremacists murders should only counted if the are done to a target of white surpemicy. Maybe? If one white supremacist kills another white person, then that is not an example of a violent white supremacist. ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/189 "2020-08-21T17:25:24Z")
Klan wife kills Klan husband is “right wing terrorism”: LEADWOOD, MISSOURI, FEBRUARY 9, 2017. Frank Ancona, head of the Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, was shot to death; his **wife and fellow Klan member** , Malissa Ancona, and her son have been **charged for the murder**. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/190 "2020-08-21T17:34:43Z")
> [@agzem](#): > > Klan wife kills Klan husband is “right wing terrorism”: > > LEADWOOD, MISSOURI, FEBRUARY 9, 2017. Frank Ancona, head of the Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, was shot to death; his **wife and fellow Klan member** , Malissa Ancona, and her son have been **charged for the murder**. So members of organized crime gangs killing other members of organized crime gangs, not organized crime gang violence? ---
**Author:** ![agzem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@agzem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/agzem)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/191 "2020-08-21T17:36:19Z")
Did Jussie Smollett commit right wing violence when he wrapped a noose around his own neck? ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/192 "2020-08-21T17:36:50Z")
Maybe. I don’t know. Could be. It doesn’t help that they have misrepresented at least one of the cases (I’m not inclined to go and check any of the others because I have better things to do with time). So shrug. I think I stopped caring several minutes ago. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/193 "2020-08-21T17:37:30Z")
No. Turns out he was just a fucking liar. See the difference? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/194 "2020-08-21T17:48:06Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > The above study lists names and dates of incidents, since you asked. Doubtless the goalposts will be moved so here are some more goalposts: - [Member States Concerned by the Growing and Increasingly Trans-National Threat of Extreme Right-Wing Terrorism](https://www.un.org/sc/ctc/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/CTED_Trends_Alert_Extreme_Right-Wing_Terrorism.pdf) - _Counter-Terrorism Committee Executive Directorate; United Nations Security Council_ - [The Organizational Dynamics of Far‐Right Hate Groups in the United States: Comparing Violent to Non‐Violent Organizations](https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/944_OPSR_TEVUS_Comparing-Violent-Nonviolent-Far-Right-Hate-Groups_Dec2011-508.pdf) - _National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism; A Department of Homeland Security Science and Technology Center of Excellence_ - [The Terrorist Threat Confronting the United States](https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-confronting-the-united-states) - _Dale L. Watson Executive Assistant Director, Counterterrorism/Counterintelligence Division Federal Bureau of Investigation Before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Washington, DC_ - [Racially-motivated violent extremists elevated to “national threat priority,” FBI director says](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/racially-motivated-violent-extremism-isis-national-threat-priority-fbi-director-christopher-wray/) - _CBS News, February 5, 2020_ From that last link: > The FBI has elevated its assessment of the threat posed by racially-motivated violent extremists in the U.S. to a “national threat priority” for fiscal year 2020, FBI director Christopher Wray said Wednesday. He said the FBI is placing the risk of violence from such groups “on the same footing” as threats posed to the country by foreign terrorist organizations such as ISIS and its sympathizers. > > “Not only is the terror threat diverse — it’s unrelenting,” Wray said at an oversight hearing before the House Judiciary Committee. > > Racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists, or domestic terrorists motivated by racial or religious hatred, make up a “huge chunk” of the FBI’s domestic terrorism investigations, Wray said in statements before the Senate Homeland Security Committee last November. The majority of those attacks are “fueled by some type of white supremacy,” he said. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/195 "2020-08-21T17:53:52Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > As a gun owner and gun dealership owner what choice do I have? Your choice is to consider _everygoddamnthingelse_ including the preservation of American democracy and a functioning society and give over on this matter of direct personal benefit to you, because sometimes, maybe all the times, the issue of gun ownership is not the most important thing to society. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/196 "2020-08-21T18:03:33Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > > [@pkbites](#): > > > > As a gun owner and gun dealership owner what choice do I have? > > Your choice is to consider _everygoddamnthingelse_ including the preservation of American democracy and a functioning society and give over on this matter of direct personal benefit to you, because sometimes, maybe all the times, the issue of gun ownership is not the most important thing to society. Children will die in cages, the elderly will needlessly die by the tens of thousands, America will be relegated to a failed laughing-stock, the poor will be disenfranchised, the healthcare system will crater, the economy will produce more crushing disparities, free speech will wilt, sure. But on the other hand, there would be slightly more regulation on his hobby that kills 30 thousand people a year. I mean who among us wouldn’t make the same decision? ---
**Author:** ![deRanger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@deRanger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deRanger)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/197 "2020-08-21T18:16:05Z")
Trump has allegedly mobilized his followers to “monitor” polling places on election day. All 60 million of them: there will be confrontations. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/198 "2020-08-21T18:18:09Z")
> [@deRanger](#): > > Trump has allegedly mobilized his followers to “monitor” polling places on election day. All 60 million of them: there will be confrontations. Good point. Everyone bring some wheel chocks to immobilize their mobility scooters. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/199 "2020-08-21T18:19:06Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Dead seriously. What has Trump done in the past four years? After you fail that question, what has he done that’s been positive? I don’t plan to vote for him, but if you are asking for some positives (sort of), I’ll give a few grudging ones. The biggest is I think he has put the CCPs feet to the fire and really turned up the pressure on them. While I disagreed with how he did things, and the trade war in general, especially his (ridiculous IMHO) stated goals, I think this was something that needed to be done and I hope that there is enough bipartisan support for this that after Trump loses in November that we continue to ramp up the pressure and don’t go back to the old status quo. I particularly like the way he and his administration have called out the CCP for their massive human rights violations, and the work they have done to form a coalition of regional powers to join us in putting on this pressure, especially the new direction towards India. It’s one of the things I worry about with Biden…not that this is going to stop me from voting for him, of course. Hm…other than this, I guess I’d say that I thought his Syrian strategy was not completely a disaster, and I did agree with the decision to hammer the Syrian’s over their use of poison gas…I thought that was long overdue and something we should have done before. Um…I can’t think of anything else, though there were a few things I partially agreed with, though generally I agreed that it’s something that should be done but thought the way he addressed it was stupid or misguided at best. But devil his due, or perhaps even a blind squirrel finds the occasional nut, he has done a few things that I more or less agreed with…somewhat. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2020, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/200 "2020-08-21T18:35:03Z")
> [@XT](#): > > I particularly like the way he and his administration have called out the CCP for their massive human rights violations That is not impressive when one realizes how until late 2019 that was not important at all to Trump. > **[Trump’s Devastating Silence on China’s Human Rights Abuses ](https://thediplomat.com/2019/10/trumps-devastating-silence-on-chinas-human-rights-abuses/)** > > Trump’s obsession with “strength” at the expense of human rights has been a defining feature of his views on China. Suddenly, since he has to justify how he is blaming China for all things economical and pandemic, he finally did reach for the human rights angle. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506.md?page=11)