# How can anyone vote for Trump in 2020? No. But Seriously **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 19, 2020, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506 "2020-08-19T18:09:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/221 "2020-08-23T01:38:48Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Many households **living off a single Social Security/disability/etc check** , supplementing their diet w/ fish and poached deer. **They seem to LOVE their Trump!** > Interesting surreal incursion… Emphasis added to show the kind of disconnect point that makes people ask the thread title question. They love the guy who’d wind down that program if he could. (And your son’s right, **Dinsdale** , it’s painful all the eyerolling having to deal with the cultists) ---
**Author:** ![mrmaxum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrmaxum/32/4140_2.png) [@mrmaxum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrmaxum)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/222 "2020-08-23T01:58:47Z")
Yea I’m in Wellington and I could care less about NZ’ers negative statements on US politics after the disgraceful mismanagement this government is offering . ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/223 "2020-08-23T02:00:26Z")
> [@mrmaxum](#): > > Yea I’m in Wellington and I could care less about NZ’ers negative statements on US politics after the disgraceful mismanagement this government is offering Did you happen to read the title of this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/224 "2020-08-23T04:07:10Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Emphasis added to show the kind of disconnect point that makes people ask the thread title question. They love the guy who’d wind down that program if he could. > _If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you._ > ― Lyndon B. Johnson ---
**Author:** ![mrmaxum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrmaxum/32/4140_2.png) [@mrmaxum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrmaxum)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/225 "2020-08-23T12:40:03Z")
Yea I voted for Trump as I have dual citizenship . ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/226 "2020-08-23T13:50:45Z")
I welcome you, mrmaxum, engaging here on a board where most may disagree with your perspectives. As for New Zealand vs. the U.S., even though you are in a bad spell right now, schools are mostly open and unemployment, in NZ, is 4 percent. We are over 10 percent, and few schools are open. The opposition says that the government has systemic failures in testing enough, even though everyone knows New Zealand has mostly, not totally, avoided the full COVID-related economic depression we have here. Your elections are delayed in a legal manner agreed to by major parties. Compare and contrast with our economy, and with what our President said yesterday about his own administration: “[The deep state, or whoever, over at the FDA is making it very difficult for drug companies to get people in order to test the vaccines and therapeutics. Obviously, they are hoping to delay the answer until after November 3rd.](https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1297138862108663808)” ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/227 "2020-08-23T14:15:50Z")
I’m inclined to take conservatives’ words for things. They’ve told us that they’re willing to overlook Trump’s lying, cheating, grifting and his racism as well as his authoritarian grab for personal power because he is the bulwark in stopping the liberalization of the country. Without Trump and his backers, we would be on the road to socialized medicine, government paid child care, extended free post-secondary education, reduced defense spending and maybe even the first tentative steps towards a universal basic income. All that _has to be stopped_ and Donald J. Trump is the leaky vessel keeping America as we know it afloat. That’s what they’ve told us and I believe them. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/228 "2020-08-23T16:17:56Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Emphasis added to show the kind of disconnect point that makes people ask the thread title question. They love the guy who’d wind down that program if he could. … Yeah - it is the OTHER GUY’S check that is an inappropriate entitlement. 😃 My fave was when I lived in NW IN, and all these racist bubbas would complain about all the libruhl giveaways, threats to their guns and such. Of course, the majority of them had a family member drawing union wages at the steel plants… ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/229 "2020-08-23T16:24:25Z")
How can anyone vote for Trump in 2020? He keeps things a-hopping. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/230 "2020-08-23T20:48:35Z")
The post you are replying to - from TriPolar - read in its entirety. “They vote for Trump because they don’t see the cost to themselves. I believe we should do something about that” And you react as if he made a PHYSICAL THREAT to your person? You think this means he wants to beat you up or kill you or something? Instead of seeing it, as I did, as meaning “I wish I could find the words to show them the error of their ways?” Or even “I wish I they weren’t so ridiculously thick-headed and had better listening skills.” Turn off Fox and chill. Seriously. They’re brainwashing you, ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/231 "2020-08-23T20:56:28Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Turn off Fox and chill. Seriously. They’re brainwashing you, At a certain point, people have to take responsibility for the media that they choose to consume. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2020, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/232 "2020-08-23T22:59:15Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > At a certain point, people have to take responsibility for the media that they choose to consume. It would be nice if more Americans subscribed to mainstream daily newspapers, getting their news from there rather than opinionated TV stations having ties to politicians. But I don’t see how blaming the viewing public helps, whether the people are in the U.S., or Russia, or Hungary. . As for evidence that the United States is actually a country where the government manipulates the news media, I found this tidbit out yesterday to be striking: > **[William Barr told Murdoch to 'muzzle' Fox News Trump critic, new book says](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/22/william-barr-rupert-murdoch-muzzle-andrew-napolitano-fox-news-trump-critic-book)** > > Attorney general met media mogul in October 2019, as Judge Andrew Napolitano said Trump should be impeached > [@](#): > > The attorney general, William Barr, told Rupert Murdoch to “muzzle” [Andrew Napolitano](https://twitter.com/Judgenap), a prominent Fox News personality who became a critic of Donald Trump, according to a new book about the rightwing TV network. . . . > > Though Barr’s words to Murdoch “carried a lot of weight”, Stelter writes, “no one was explicitly told to take Napolitano off the air”. Instead, Stelter reports, Napolitano found digital resources allocated elsewhere, saw a slot on a daytime show disappear, and was not included in coverage of the impeachment process. That’s how it goes in the very early stages of descent into authoritarianism. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2020, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/233 "2020-08-24T01:42:37Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > The post you are replying to - from TriPolar - read in its entirety. > > “They vote for Trump because they don’t see the cost to themselves. I believe we should do something about that” > > And you react as if he made a PHYSICAL THREAT to your person? You think this means he wants to beat you up or kill you or something? Instead of seeing it, as I did, as meaning “I wish I could find the words to show them the error of their ways?” Or even “I wish I they weren’t so ridiculously thick-headed and had better listening skills.” I have no idea what you are talking about. I can’t recall anyone here ever threatening me physically. And I wouldn’t care if they did. But seriously, if someone says, “They vote for Trump because they don’t see the cost to themselves. I believe we should do something about that”, It a really long stretch to interpret it as “boy, Trump voters sure have poor reading skills”. A rather straightforward interpretation is that he thinks Trump voters vote for him because the price for Trump falls on other people and not them, so they shoild be made to pay a price as well. He’s saying that his side should ‘do something’ to make sure Trump voters feel the pain. Lots of people would see that as a veiled threat. Not me, because I’m not a Trump voter. And I wouldn’t be even if I were American. > [@](#): > > Turn off Fox and chill. Seriously. They’re brainwashing you, You must have me confused with someone else. I don’t even have cable. I haven’t seen more than a minute of Fox in probably three years. Oh, I get it! It’s an ad-hominem attack! I don’t agree with you, so I must be a brainwashed right-wing idiot who sits and watches Fox News all day. Got it. It’s interesting to see what the world looks like looking out of your bubble. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2020, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/234 "2020-08-24T08:55:15Z")
Ah, the “Because everyone is separated from me by a thin film of soap, that means everyone else is in a bubble” argument. Thank you, Wonko the Sane. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2020, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/235 "2020-08-24T13:21:27Z")
He has seriously impacted the judiciary for the next 5-10 years, if not longer. If you’re a business executive that wants a corporate-friendly judiciary, or if you’re just a right wing ideologue, then these last 4 years have been pretty good, despite that ‘turncoat’ John Roberts. Oh well, Ruth Bader Ginsburg has to die sometime soon, right? So just get Trump in for another 4 years, and lock up the judiciary for good. If you’re a billionaire, and even if you’re not and you’re just plain wealthy, you’ve probably benefited from major tax cuts. If you don’t like diversity, if you hate immigration, Trump has checked this box, too. And he’ll probably shut it down even more as time goes on. Keep in mind that for Trump supporters, this is just the start. The next four years are about rigging the system so that conservatives can win power even when they lose. Don’t think that’s lost on a lot of Republican voters. ---
**Author:** ![chluke](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chluke/32/3678_2.png) [@chluke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chluke)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2020, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/236 "2020-08-24T13:32:28Z")
Bipartisan, did what the Dems were pushing for. ---
**Author:** ![chluke](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chluke/32/3678_2.png) [@chluke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chluke)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2020, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/237 "2020-08-24T13:36:47Z")
Afraid to take action when there’s no one to blame if it goes south. All about blame amd not leadership. same with the virus, everyome else is to blame ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2020, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/238 "2020-08-24T15:19:22Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > How can anyone vote for Trump in 2020? > > He keeps things a-hopping Ticks hop. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2020, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/239 "2020-08-24T15:42:25Z")
This is a strange thread. Was the op actually interested in the answer to the question or was it just rhetorical, baiting responses to disagree with and to argue against? Voters who support Trump have their reasons or supporting him even as they may disapprove of him personally and his performance in many ways. Some are simply single issue voters and see Trump as serving that goal - anti Choice, anti gun control, so on and on. Some want an other to blame for the loss of perceived unquestioned white working class Christian dominance and control and Trump names others to blame every day. They feel threatened. He reassures them that this is their America. That reassurance earns lots of looking away and lots of accepting claims without question. Is arguing about each of those perceptions the point? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2020, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506/240 "2020-08-24T15:48:18Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > He’s saying that his side should ‘do something’ to make sure Trump voters feel the pain. He said ‘see’ not ‘feel’. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-anyone-vote-for-trump-in-2020-no-but-seriously/918506.md?page=13)