# How can Biden use the recent SCOTUS Immunity ruling to his benefit? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [July 1, 2024, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-biden-use-the-recent-scotus-immunity-ruling-to-his-benefit/1003589 "2024-07-01T18:29:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-biden-use-the-recent-scotus-immunity-ruling-to-his-benefit/1003589/21 "2024-07-01T23:27:46Z")
He should arrest or assassinate the judges that voted for this ruling. No hyperbole. That’s the only thing that’s going to wake people and our institutions up to the insanity of this ruling. It has the effect of both saying “look at this insanity, they just said this was legal, we need to change this” and actually neutralizing the people that made the ruling so that you could legally reverse it. People will say “but that sets a horrible precedent that the Republicans can use to do even worse!” as if they aren’t going to do their worst the moment Trump is elected. This ruling is going to be used for an incredible amount of evil and abuse of power. Abusing power in this way is pretty much the only way to immediately nip it in the bud. We’ve seen that trying to act in good faith and gently change things does not work in this era against republicans. Swift, decisive action is the only way this has a chance of absolute disaster in the future being averted. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-biden-use-the-recent-scotus-immunity-ruling-to-his-benefit/1003589/22 "2024-07-01T23:28:36Z")
Who has Trump’s medical records from his time in office? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-biden-use-the-recent-scotus-immunity-ruling-to-his-benefit/1003589/23 "2024-07-01T23:30:49Z")
Biden’s first act should be to unveil His Royal Presidential Majesty’s new throne and crown. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-biden-use-the-recent-scotus-immunity-ruling-to-his-benefit/1003589/24 "2024-07-01T23:35:05Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Without getting _too_ outrageous (using SEAL Team 6 to take out Trump, etc.), Why do you consider that outrageous? That’s exactly the sort of thing that this ruling is going to lead to when the republicans are in charge. Do you think that’s beyond what they’re willing to do? Drastic action like that is probably the only way to get this country to recognize what a horrific ruling this is and to get it changed. We probably have a very narrow window to correct this. All of the suggestions in this thread are just small moves that set a precedent in the minds of the public without actually fixing the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-biden-use-the-recent-scotus-immunity-ruling-to-his-benefit/1003589/25 "2024-07-01T23:48:23Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Why do you consider that outrageous? Because it’s natural to hesitate to order murder to make a political point? And anything less than that has a better than even chance of backfiring politically and drowning out any potential discussion or thought about the court decision? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-biden-use-the-recent-scotus-immunity-ruling-to-his-benefit/1003589/26 "2024-07-01T23:52:49Z")
Ah yes, the high road and exercising caution and good faith and talking this out, it has worked so well this far. If this ruling doesn’t get reversed before the next republican president is elected, that’s it. I mean, it’s probably over anyway, but this ruling all but makes autocracy official. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2024, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-biden-use-the-recent-scotus-immunity-ruling-to-his-benefit/1003589/27 "2024-07-01T23:57:42Z")
Again, I think “taking the high road” kind of downplays the seriousness of _ordering a man’s death_, never mind six. Though now that I think about it, if you were going this route, targeting the Court rather than Trump might be the best option, for reasons already mentioned… ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2024, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-biden-use-the-recent-scotus-immunity-ruling-to-his-benefit/1003589/28 "2024-07-02T00:16:00Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Perhaps order the National Guard to clear paths and escort voters (including providing rides en masse) to the polls in Philadelphia, Detroit, Phoenix, Atlanta, Charlotte, Milwaukee, etc.? Order the NG to escort women across state lines for reproductive health care? EO’s to distribute federal money back to voters in the cities mentioned above? Yes, he could do these things. > [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Forgive everyone’s student loans Immunity has nothing to do with that- the POTUS simply does not have the authority to do so. > [@Stratocaster](#): > > I think we’re missing that the ruling doesn’t grant any new presidential powers, it just protects him from criminal prosecution. Yep. More or less, the ideas **iiandyiii** posted are more or less what Biden not only could do, but might do. However- order all of Bannons assets seized and sold. Order all of trumps assets seized and sold- to pay off lawsuits. Those lawsuits have legit legal judgments. Seize and sell the assets _now,_ let the courts take their time with their endless delaying tactics. Legal, and even ethical. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2024, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-biden-use-the-recent-scotus-immunity-ruling-to-his-benefit/1003589/29 "2024-07-02T00:47:29Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > No hyperbole. That’s the only thing that’s going to wake people and our institutions up to the insanity of this ruling. I agree. This is NOT a stupid idea. It will immediately demonstrate how insane the ruling is. If Trump is elected, he WILL do stuff like this. Weekly. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2024, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-biden-use-the-recent-scotus-immunity-ruling-to-his-benefit/1003589/30 "2024-07-02T01:02:41Z")
Like I said above, this has to be carefully thought out and targeted, or the whole conversation about this ruling simply won’t happen. It’ll be drowned out by “Biden the senile dictator” headlines. And again, murder is not a step taken lightly. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2024, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-biden-use-the-recent-scotus-immunity-ruling-to-his-benefit/1003589/31 "2024-07-02T01:03:15Z")
As Kitanji Brown Jackson pointed out in her dissent though, it is not that the supreme court is ruling that the president is immune per se. It’s that they want to be the arbiters of when the president can be prosecuted. And there will be a simple mapping between party and SC majority decision. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2024, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-biden-use-the-recent-scotus-immunity-ruling-to-his-benefit/1003589/32 "2024-07-02T01:06:44Z")
Which is a big support for my thought above that this kind of action (_probably_ not murder) is more likely to achieve its goal targeting the justices who made this decision, not Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2024, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-biden-use-the-recent-scotus-immunity-ruling-to-his-benefit/1003589/33 "2024-07-02T01:12:05Z")
I love this a lot. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2024, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-biden-use-the-recent-scotus-immunity-ruling-to-his-benefit/1003589/34 "2024-07-02T01:12:27Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Wow! That’s a constitutional violation. Ha ha ha ha! Hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2024, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-biden-use-the-recent-scotus-immunity-ruling-to-his-benefit/1003589/35 "2024-07-02T01:20:22Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Ha ha ha ha! Hilarious. Wait you don’t think telling people can’t vote is a bad thing? Or is it bad when Republicans do it but good when Democrats do it. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2024, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-biden-use-the-recent-scotus-immunity-ruling-to-his-benefit/1003589/36 "2024-07-02T02:12:54Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > As Kitanji Brown Jackson pointed out in her dissent though, it is not that the supreme court is ruling that the president is immune per se. It’s that they want to be the arbiters of when the president can be prosecuted. Issue executive orders instructing the government to disregard any court decisions that stand in the way of declaring the Republican party a terrorist organization, imprisoning Trump and as many other QOPers as necessary in Guantanamo Bay, and ordering Congress and the state legislatures, at gunpoint if necessary, to draft a series of Constitutional amendments to ban gerrymandering, make Senate representation proportionate to population, restructuring the Supreme Court from the ground up, and nullifying this decision effective at the end of Biden’s term. I’m only half-joking. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2024, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-biden-use-the-recent-scotus-immunity-ruling-to-his-benefit/1003589/37 "2024-07-02T13:08:48Z")
I was going to start a thread like this today. Because I’m tired of being the team that plays by the rules and loses while the other team laughs at the rules and keeps winning. Now that SCOTUS has waived the rules (or, at least, shielded the POTUS from accountability for breaking them) I want Biden and the Dems to do whatever it takes to make sure they’re still in power come January. Whatever. It. Takes. They can start with arresting Trump (along with MTG and other abetting Congresspeople) for the Jan. 6 insurrection. Round up the loonies at Fox News as co-conspirators. Dismiss the three SCOTUS justices appointed by Trump, and arrest Alito and Thomas on corruption charges. Does this make as us bad as the GOP? Maybe. So what? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2024, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-biden-use-the-recent-scotus-immunity-ruling-to-his-benefit/1003589/38 "2024-07-02T13:22:00Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Whatever. It. Takes. I’m inclined towards playing it straight until the election, in the hopes that the US pulls its head out of its ass, and Biden actually wins. But if Trump wins? Arrest every Republican politician in the country on charges of stealing the election, and throw them all in prison. Even if it doesn’t stick, it would still be worth doing to get the point across. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2024, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-biden-use-the-recent-scotus-immunity-ruling-to-his-benefit/1003589/39 "2024-07-02T13:27:08Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > I’m inclined towards playing it straight until the election, in the hopes that the US pulls its head out of its ass, and Biden actually wins. The US will not pull its head out of its ass. Why now, if it hasn’t since 2016? > [@Horatius](#): > > But if Trump wins? Arrest every Republican politician in the country on charges of stealing the election, and throw them all in prison. I’d prefer it not get that far, but I’d be OK with that. > [@Horatius](#): > > Even if it doesn’t stick, it would still be worth doing to get the point across. I’m not interested in getting any points across. I’m interested in crushing MAGA. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2024, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-biden-use-the-recent-scotus-immunity-ruling-to-his-benefit/1003589/40 "2024-07-02T13:30:30Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > The US will not pull its head out of its ass. Why now, if it hasn’t since 2016? It’s not likely, but anything Biden does along these lines is likely to end up as a Civil War. And wars, even small ones, are destructive enough that it’s worth avoiding them entirely, if you can. I don’t want to be the one pulling the trigger on something that will kill lots of people, destroy lots of property, and probably permanently degrade the US’s standing in the world. Particularly when there’s no guarantee we will win. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-biden-use-the-recent-scotus-immunity-ruling-to-his-benefit/1003589.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-biden-use-the-recent-scotus-immunity-ruling-to-his-benefit/1003589.md?page=3)