# How can Donald Trump win at this point? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump, kamala-harris\ **Created:** [August 6, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351 "2024-08-06T21:13:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 117
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2322 "2024-09-22T18:07:16Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@Sherrerd](#): > > > > The half—or more—who _never expose themselves to mainstream news media_, have NO idea that Republican shenanigans have been observed and noted. > > Less than half. Only about 25% of Americans watch only Fox news. I was including in that “half–or more” those Americans who not only don’t expose themselves to mainstream news media, but **also** don’t expose themselves to Fox et al. The number of Americans who are _disengaged from news media of all types_ is larger than we-who-follow-news imagine. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2323 "2024-09-22T18:26:15Z")
Further, Faux is far from the only RW propaganda spewer. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2324 "2024-09-22T18:26:26Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > But other methods of prognostication are worse. Nonsense! My [haruspex](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haruspex) is quite certain of Harris’ eventual victory. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2325 "2024-09-22T18:33:59Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Further, Faux is far from the only RW propaganda spewer. The real realm is radio and podcasts. But yes, radio. Old white men skeptical of television media and technology averse throng to radio. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2326 "2024-09-22T19:48:45Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > The number of Americans who are _disengaged from news media of all types_ is larger than we-who-follow-news imagine. I tried to find out a number for that and found this fascinating study. > **[Trust in Media 2024: Which news sources Americans trust — and which they...](https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/49552-trust-in-media-2024-which-news-outlets-americans-trust)** > > Democrats and Republicans find some common ground on business-focused news sources, but hold vastly different opinions on other sources, including the two used most often: CNN and Fox News. To the question though, not outside imagination. > Eight in 10 Americans have gotten news from at least one of two sources in the past month: television or social media. The popularity of each format of news consumption is split by age: Younger adults are most likely to have used social media for news, while a majority of older people have relied on television. Age also divides other forms of news consumption, with young adults being more likely to have gotten news from video platforms, and older people from print newspapers. So the complete disengagement is only only 20%. More interesting is which sources are believed by whom. Interestingly Fox is not only not well trusted overall, even conservatives don’t exempt it from their general media distrust much. Well Weather Channel is up there. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2024, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2327 "2024-09-22T19:57:40Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > So the complete disengagement is only only 20%. I think even less than that- if you look at the poll labeled- _TV and social media are the most common ways Americans consume news_ You will see-_I haven’t consumed news in the past month_ running less that 10 5, from a high of 9% to a low of 4% But that is a great cite, thank you! > [@DSeid](#): > > More interesting is which sources are believed by whom. Interestingly Fox is not only not well trusted overall, Fox news is listed as a -10% trusted score, which is the 5th lowest. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2328 "2024-09-23T00:59:57Z")
If any of the Facebook users here are bored- please go to FB, and scroll down until you hit “Reels”. Click and go thru- you will find the most outrageous lies about Harris. Please report them to FB. If enough of us do this, maybe FB will do something. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2329 "2024-09-23T01:22:19Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Click and go thru- you will find the most outrageous lies about Harris. Please report them to FB. If enough of us do this, maybe FB will do something. That’s your feed. Mine is almost entirely stand-up comics and people doing engineering lifehack stuff. They feed you what you engage with. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2330 "2024-09-23T02:48:24Z")
Alright, as a general update on our topic, I will observe that polling for Kamala Harris and the Dems (aka, the Good Guys) looks pretty boyant right now, while the Trump campaign continues its slow/fast/slooowwwww/really really fast (?!)/slow collapse. Of special note is the crash-‘n’-frickin’-burn of the Mark Robinson campaign in North Carolina. This guy… what can you say? The thing is, Trump doesn’t have much of a path to victory without ol’ NC, so his personal gov pick’s implodo is like, no bueno to the maximo! Dunno, this continues to NOT feel like a Trump victory year for me, but YMMV! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2331 "2024-09-23T02:50:24Z")
What is more likely to happen is that Facebook will tell you that you will no longer see them. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2332 "2024-09-23T03:53:45Z")
Would it hurt to try? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2333 "2024-09-23T04:05:32Z")
Nope. Just because others have tried and failed, getting the results I described, doesn’t mean the same thing will happen to you. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2334 "2024-09-23T04:51:56Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Further, Faux is far from the only RW propaganda spewer. I think you misspelled sewer. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2335 "2024-09-23T06:11:22Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Would it hurt to try? Facebook has a **[known history](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/30/facebook-sad-manipulating-emotions-socially-responsible-company)** of deliberately feeding upsetting material to people because negative engagement is more powerful than positive engagement. They don’t care that your time on the site is dedicated to identifying and reporting outrageous political dishonesty. They only care that you are _on the site._ Stickiness rules. And in all likelihood, because this is how you are engaging with the site, the algorithm will give you more of it. Any further discussion of Facebook should probably go in another thread. But the short version in this context is, yeah, you’re almost certainly wasting your time, _at best._ ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2336 "2024-09-23T10:54:39Z")
In the accompanying “newsletter,” Nate Cohn states the usual caveats that this is only one poll, yadda yadda…BUT the fact that downballot Republicans fared worse than Trump in the same polling (especially in Arizona and pre-Black-Nazi North Carolina) hints that Trump’s individual strength in these three states might be real. > [@Donald Trump and the runup to the 2024 election](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trump-and-the-runup-to-the-2024-election/1005196/368): > > New polls from The New York Times and Siena College showed Donald J. Trump ahead in Arizona [by 5%] and leading in tight races in Georgia [by 4%] and North Carolina [by 2%] “In one striking finding, nearly four years after Mr. Trump was impeached by the House for “incitement of insurrection” for his role in the rioting of Jan. 6, 2021, at the U.S. Capitol, respondents were evenly divided over the question over whether Mr. Trump or Ms. Harris would do a better job handling democracy.” “Notably,… > [@Aeschines](#): > > Dunno, this continues to NOT feel like a Trump victory year for me, but YMMV! My _feelings_ are exactly like yours on this. The question in the title of this thread doesn’t care, alas. “Teardrops, rolling down my face…” ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2337 "2024-09-23T19:10:06Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Of special note is the crash-‘n’-frickin’-burn of the Mark Robinson campaign in North Carolina. This guy… what can you say? The thing is, Trump doesn’t have much of a path to victory without ol’ NC, so his personal gov pick’s implodo is like, no bueno to the maximo! I wonder if Robinson’s DOA candidacy might actually help Trump – if, say, enough NC centrist-ish folks “balance” their vote for a Dem governor with a vote for a GOP president. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2338 "2024-09-23T19:23:05Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Click and go thru- you will find the most outrageous lies about Harris. Please report them to FB. If enough of us do this, maybe FB will do something. I get dogs cats and comedians. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2339 "2024-09-23T19:40:52Z")
Mine are all videos of trains. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2340 "2024-09-23T19:52:45Z")
Mine are all martial arts. LOL ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2024, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2341 "2024-09-23T19:53:13Z")
Awww. I wish I got cats! I post photos of my cat all the time. What’s up Facebook!?!? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351.md?page=116) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351.md?page=118)