# How can Donald Trump win at this point? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump, kamala-harris\ **Created:** [August 6, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351 "2024-08-06T21:13:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 142
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2822 "2024-10-15T19:46:12Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Up in Palm Beach County there are lots of trump ads on the video billboards along the freeway. And zero Harris ads Is it possible that the ads are primarily intended for an audience of one? Sound’s like “guy’s full name” is hankering for an ambassadorship or a juicy federal contract. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2823 "2024-10-15T20:00:37Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Well, I guess we’ll just have to admit that Trump will win the Texas EV’s Almost certainly. BUT I will bet that his margin will be smaller than last two elections. Texas will become a Pink state, then next big election, maybe purple. And it looks like there is a decent chance Cruz will lose. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2824 "2024-10-15T20:06:33Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > And it looks like there is a decent chance Cruz will lose. From your lips to God’s ears. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2825 "2024-10-15T20:08:36Z")
Not impossible, but I rather doubt it. Lots of tycoons and fatcats want trump to win for the assumed effect on regulations, SEC enforcement, and the increased opportunities for their own businesses to corrupt the relevant politicians as the whole government descends toward first Greek then Phillipines’ standards of governance, etc. Yeah, pledging fealty to the new King might well be part of it. But the new king needs to get elected first. Which is far from a sure thing. Any/every low-taxes-is-all-I-care-about fatcat is hoping for a trump win. They’re confident they are personally powerful enough that no matter how much trump enshittifies the country, they themsleves will be better off. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2826 "2024-10-16T02:52:39Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > There are darn few Harris signs and none at all for Trump save some homemade ones for Trump. When I say homemade I mean it literally. [nods knowingly] So _homes_ are building them. [/nods knowingly] ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2827 "2024-10-16T02:56:56Z")
In other news, our heroine VP Kamala Harris is going to be on Fox News and is apparently talking with Joe Rogan to be on his joint as well: > **[From Fox News to Joe Rogan, Harris has a plan: Win](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/10/15/2277008/-Kamala-Harris-has-a-media-strategy-in-place-Win?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=top_news_slot_1&pm_medium=web)** > > Fox News, Joe Rogan’s podcast—those are the kinds of outlets you’d expect Republicans to frequent. But Vice President Kamala Harris is confirmed for the former and is reportedly close to confirming the latter. So what the heck is going on?... It’s bold, it’s confident, it’s everything that _some_ (= RW) people said she couldn’t do: represent in the media. Answer questions, that kind of thing. Not a hard thing at all for her. Meanwhile, Trump is melting down like a _stone cold mutherfucker._ Like seriously, no exaggeration, just plain ol’ call the rubber-walled ambulance kind of shit (e.g., the dance). I’m not going to link to anything, as I know you’ve already heard about it. But it’s bad. Harris very strong. Trump mucho psycho. We’ll see how that moves hearts and minds, if any, in the weeks to come. ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2828 "2024-10-16T03:02:48Z")
Lots of signs, of all sorts, around my small Central Michigan college town. Trump/Harris signs, prop and initiative signs, and down ballot candidate signs. I think I live in a very politically aware area. You wouldn’t know it from just walking around and talking to people, but they are making their opinions known in other ways. And yes I have a Harris/Walz sign. Not an official one, it’s one I ordered from Etsy. I wanted something a little fancier and that had an American flag on it. The Trump signs started appearing first. But fellow Democrats around here reacted quickly and I can’t say that it’s not 50/50 at this point. Trump signs become more prevalent the further you move out to rural areas. Not surprising of course. One thing that I have noticed is that there are also gigantic Trump flags, banners etc… nothing like that for Harris. Those flags though are old looking, faded and tattered in some instances. I think a lot of them are left over from previous elections. My across the street neighbor has one of them. And it’s up 24/7 all year long. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2829 "2024-10-16T04:12:59Z")
> [@Jihi](#): > > My across the street neighbor has one of them. And it’s up 24/7 all year long. Sounds like a handy “asshole identifier”. Good to know who to avoid. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2830 "2024-10-16T10:36:40Z")
I’ve said it before here, but every time I see someone displaying trump or trump-adjacent merch all I can think of is comedian Bill Engvall’s long-running schtick telling tales of people being idiots in various situations and his tagline response “Here’s your sign!” (to carry to warn others that you’re a fool) e.g. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/VMlJ5MClQJ0/maxresdefault.jpg "Bill Engvall - Here's Your Sign") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMlJ5MClQJ0) ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2831 "2024-10-16T11:40:40Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > They’re confident they are personally powerful enough that no matter how much trump enshittifies the country, they themsleves will be better off. Well, and it’s true. At some level of wealth you can insulate yourself pretty well. And where that level is isn’t that high. Virtually every country will let you get residency/citizenship if you bring enough money with you. And in some places even in the EU it’s less than $1 million ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2832 "2024-10-16T13:10:02Z")
In my neck of the woods (just east of East Lansing, a mix of state workers, MSU staff, GM workers) I see quite a few Harris signs and a very small number of signs for the antichrist. On my cul-de-sac of 12 homes, 4 have Harris signs and 0 for the shitgibbon. In the general areas I frequent, I’d say 90% of people have no yard signs, maybe 9% have Harris signs, and 1% weirdo signs. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2833 "2024-10-18T12:09:41Z")
6 posts were merged into an existing topic: [Hunh is a disinfo troll](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hunh-is-a-disinfo-troll/1008947/3) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2834 "2024-10-16T14:56:33Z")
A twice impeached rapist convict megalomaniac with visible mental issues that are getting worse even as we speak that would turn the army on his political rivals, you mean. Way to downplay. 🙄 > [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1008947/3): > > When Kamala supporters pursue revolution in the event too many violent dumbasses voted for the wrong candidate, they become what they vilify, subverting the whole principle of democracy Democrats claim to espouse: Yeah, let me know when/if that actually happens to any extent. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2835 "2024-10-16T15:00:50Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1008947/3): > > a C student unable to process decisions by herself I see someone’s been getting their information from OANN. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2836 "2024-10-16T15:02:46Z")
Yeah, loving the attempt at “bothsiderism”. It’s a mite too late to be playing that game after the recent Trump press conference that turned into a dance-off. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2837 "2024-10-16T15:03:52Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1008947/3): > > Democracy is lost either way. Hunh. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2838 "2024-10-16T15:24:41Z")
Yeah, what you’re saying about Harris is the very stuff I read in the articles and comments of National Review. Taking what you’re saying seriously, however, I would say that Harris is just not a very well-trained political bullshitter, ready to spout off about any topic at any time. I think she’s more used to the high-precision, planned speech of a prosecutor. (Though I think she’s turned out to be a very good speaker _overall_.) Do I think she’s super deep on every aspect of policy? No, but no president is; that’s why they have advisors, etc. Good leaders know how to choose the right people and work well with them and exercise good judgment about the advice they receive. I think she will do that. Re the revolution, I don’t want violence. I am thinking passive resistance on a mass scale: general strikes, massive protests, obstructing government in every way possible, etc. I could also see Blue states declaring a schism with the federal government: not secession per se, but declaring the federal government illegitimate (which it would be if Trump were to win the EC but not the popular vote, and certainly if he were to abuse his power) and refusing to cooperate with it until Trump, Vance, etc., were gone. A topic for another thread, however. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2839 "2024-10-16T16:34:14Z")
> [@On another topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/1008947/3): > > We are at risk for national violence should the Donald lose. When Democrats promote violence should he win Most of this “new” poster screed is not worth engaging in except this portion. Most of us are well prepared for Trump to call for violence when he loses. Virtually everyone accepts that Harris and the entire D side would be accepting of a loss. Upset. Horrified. But accepting. Yeah there are some joking fantasies that individuals engage in, but one side is in fact committed to the democratic process. Once upon it was both. Oh well. But it does make me think. What would be enough to get me endorsing, not violence, but a serious campaign of massive civil disobedience, in full awareness that it might be met with violence. I think if Trump won AND SCOTUS plus a GOP Congress somehow claimed that he could run again, that would do it. And I could see that as not completely off the table in the case of a Trump win. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2840 "2024-10-16T16:37:15Z")
I think it’s only off the table in that there is no way that Trump will last another four years, physically and mentally. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/2841 "2024-10-16T16:46:32Z")
Which is why this race is really a choice between Vance and Harris, not Trump and Harris. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351.md?page=141) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351.md?page=143)