# How can Donald Trump win at this point? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump, kamala-harris\ **Created:** [August 6, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351 "2024-08-06T21:13:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 153
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3050 "2024-10-21T16:02:20Z")
“You were younger under trump” ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3051 "2024-10-21T16:02:38Z")
Hah!! Even better. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3052 "2024-10-21T16:06:50Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > > [@Akaj](#): > > > > Saw a clever billboard in Wisconsin over the weekend. It simply read **You paid less under Trump.** > > Hah. As you said, as meaningful as “year names has lower values under Trump than under Biden.” > [@beowulff](#): > > “You were younger under trump” Thanks to Biden and Harris, you’re older than you’ve ever been. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3053 "2024-10-21T16:18:34Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > Even if they think Harris isn’t going to do anything for Palestine, one of Trump’s planks is the mass deportation of immigrants, he’s even threatened legal immigrants like the Haitians in Springfield, and Trump has tried to block people from entering the United States from majority Muslim countries, so what makes them think Trump isn’t going to deport them or otherwise make their lives miserable. “Surely the face eating leopards won’t eat _my_ face” seems to be a common belief among Trump voters. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3054 "2024-10-21T16:43:25Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > My point simply is there’s been a lot of glib conversation about trump failing to complete his term (hell, maybe even failing to complete getting to the election, much less winning it) and how that might work out. With no discussion about the reaction when that failure occurs of the CT-besotted masses of cult-followers he’s attracted. Speaking just for myself, his health is so bad right now that there is no way he could last another four years in the job. I think that’s just on-the-surface obvious, no medical degree required. (FWIW, I doubt that Biden would have made it another four years either. Maybe not die, but I don’t think he had the energy or the capacity for the job any more.) If Trump were to die, then I think his cult would more or less understand. But _of course_ there would be conspiracies. If JD and crew were to pull a 25 on the geezer, then it would be _only_ conspiracies. The cult wants only its god, and they would love to have a new target for their hate. JD would fit the bill perfectly. He would have allies on neither the right nor left, and it would be a nightmare for him. It seems conspiracies have always followed such things. I was reading about Huey Long’s assassination yesterday, and there were conspiracy theories right from the start. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3055 "2024-10-21T17:48:07Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > > [@Akaj](#): > > > > Saw a clever billboard in Wisconsin over the weekend. It simply read **You paid less under Trump.** > > Hah. As you said, as meaningful as “year names has lower values under Trump than under Biden.” Yeah, haha, but that billboard is good political messaging. Simple, direct, hits on a real issue that directly impacts voters in their daily lives. The wits here at the Dope may laugh but a lot of voters would say, “You know, things really were cheaper under Trump.” I’d be a lot more terrified about this election if Trump had the discipline to relentlessly hammer home an economic message like this rather than talking about Arnold Palmer’s dick. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3056 "2024-10-21T17:58:32Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > Yeah, haha, but that billboard is good political messaging. Simple, direct, hits on a real issue that directly impacts voters in their daily lives. The wits here at the Dope may laugh but a lot of voters would say, “You know, things really were cheaper under Trump.” Yep. The higher-than-usual inflation of 2021-22 hurt some people, but they don’t realize a) A healthy economy always has some degree of inflation, and b) prices aren’t going to go back down no matter who gets elected. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3057 "2024-10-21T18:09:45Z")
Right. What percentage of Americans actually knows how the things you cite work? I doubt even 5%. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3058 "2024-10-21T18:10:48Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > It seems conspiracies have always followed such things. They always do. It doesn’t matter what happens in the next two weeks, or four years, there are going to be conspiracy theories about it. That’s the only safe bet we have any more. Trump dies? He was assassinated. He’s not really dead, he’s being held captive. He’s not really dead, he’s just running things from behind the scenes so that Harris won’t have him assassinated. Trump lives? He’s been replaced by a body double. He’s been replaced by a clone. He’s had all his blood replaced with that of virgin schoolchildren. Trump gets 25thed? He’s perfectly fine, this is a coup! He’s utterly deranged, but this is still a coup! This is just Step One in the plan, they’ll impeach Vance next, so the new Democratic Speaker of the House can Steal the Presidency! ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3059 "2024-10-21T18:12:43Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > b) prices aren’t going to go back down no matter who gets elected. I’ve been assured that Americans will have the cheapest food in history as soon as someone imposes a 2000% tariff on everything. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3060 "2024-10-21T18:33:43Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > > [@flurb](#): > > > > Yeah, haha, but that billboard is good political messaging. Simple, direct, hits on a real issue that directly impacts voters in their daily lives. The wits here at the Dope may laugh but a lot of voters would say, “You know, things really were cheaper under Trump.” > > Yep. The higher-than-usual inflation of 2021-22 hurt some people, but they don’t realize a) A healthy economy always has some degree of inflation, and b) prices aren’t going to go back down no matter who gets elected. The incumbent always gets blamed for the bad things that happen. They also get to take credit for good things that happen even if it’s not because of their policies. Like it or not, Harris isn’t Biden but she has to answer for everything that happened during his presidency. People don’t care if “the economy” is doing good. Those are just numbers. They care if their personal economy is doing good. Saying that “some people” got hurt by inflation is ignoring what is the number 1 issue with voters. I’m not in a battleground state so I’m not seeing everything others are. If she’s not hitting the economy head on it’s a mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3061 "2024-10-21T18:56:09Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > I’ve been assured that Americans will have the cheapest food in history as soon as someone imposes a 2000% tariff on everything. If Trump promised $2 gas and $1 eggs, a lot of voters would believe he could actually deliver. (In fact, I wonder why he hasn’t.) > [@Loach](#): > > Saying that “some people” got hurt by inflation is ignoring what is the number 1 issue with voters. Is inflation really the number 1 issue? If so, Harris would have this thing locked up, because inflation is back down to 2%. (Yes, another number.) I get that many people feel they’re not doing as well as they were, but I hope there aren’t enough voters simplistic enough to think that Trump being re-elected will magically make them whole again. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3062 "2024-10-21T18:58:32Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > $1 eggs Plot twist! That’s _per egg_. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3063 "2024-10-21T19:03:38Z")
Yep, you nailed it. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3064 "2024-10-21T19:13:50Z")
The YouTuber LegalEagle has posted a video endorsing Kamala Harris for president. While that probably won’t change anyone’s mind it is a handy list of the long list of crimes and issues Trump has along with the terrible people Trump surrounds himself with. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/6bTpbDL5dcg/maxresdefault.jpg "The Most Important Election Of Our Lifetimes") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bTpbDL5dcg) ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3065 "2024-10-21T19:35:09Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Is inflation really the number 1 issue? If so, Harris would have this thing locked up, because inflation is back down to 2%. No, it’s what prices are because of inflation. Inflation is continuing to rise, and that’s under control. But the effect on prices of prior inflation is what people are upset about. It is because of inflation, but doesn’t go away when inflation goes to zero. > [@Akaj](#): > > I get that many people feel they’re not doing as well as they were, but I hope there aren’t enough voters simplistic enough to think that Trump being re-elected will magically make them whole again. Sadly, a lot of people do. Others are sure Democratic policies under Harris will drive up taxes to 75%. Or that Republicans are low tax and reduced beauracracy, that allows a stronger economy because businesses have fewer hurdles and less expenses. Yet they don’t understand that it’s those hurdles and expenses that protect the citizens from unchecked corporate power. Case in point is Texas’s power grid. It’s independent from the rest of the US so Texas can avoid federal regulations. So power companies were making money, and then when we needed a robust grid in the winter freeze, all those power companies failed us. Governor Abbott was all upset that they failed blah blah blah, but it’s exactly because they didn’t do what the US system said they needed to do too protect the grid. So those companies continued to charge exhorbitant rates while people were freezing to death, chasing up ridiculously high bills because demand went up and supply down. Anyone in a variable rate plan for screwed. Then those same companies want tax dollars to fix the grid. People don’t seem to remember the robber barons, or why unions were invented in the first place. And they don’t seem to understand that corporate bigwigs can claim they like clean air and water, but they don’t want to pay to make sure of it. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3066 "2024-10-21T19:46:35Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > > [@Akaj](#): > > > > Is inflation really the number 1 issue? If so, Harris would have this thing locked up, because inflation is back down to 2%. > > No, it’s what prices are because of inflation. Inflation is continuing to rise, and that’s under control. But the effect on prices of prior inflation is what people are upset about. It is because of inflation, but doesn’t go away when inflation goes to zero. Whether they’re upset about “prices” or inflation," my question is whether that’s truly voters’ number one issue. If so – if enough swing state voters are truly leaning toward Trump because stuff that used to cost $3 now costs $3.50 – then we’re truly a nation of whiny ass bitches and deserve to be consigned to the dustbin of history. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3067 "2024-10-21T19:48:35Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Whether they’re upset about “prices” or inflation," my question is whether that’s truly voters’ number one issue. If so – if enough swing state voters are truly leaning toward Trump because stuff that used to cost $3 now costs $3.50 – then we’re truly a nation of whiny ass bitches and deserve to be consigned to the dustbin of history. And the Oval office has little control over inflation anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3068 "2024-10-21T19:52:35Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > People don’t care if “the economy” is doing good. Those are just numbers. They care if their personal economy is doing good. Except that’s the part they object to. There’s a strange dichotomy going on where the average American says their personal financial situation is ok (maybe not great but not bad) but they believe the general economy is bad. That is, people believe something that is not true either by personal experience or by the numbers. It’s an article of faith now, which is nigh impossible to counter by any sort of conventional means. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3069 "2024-10-21T19:54:50Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > If Trump promised $2 gas and $1 eggs, a lot of voters would believe he could actually deliver. (In fact, I wonder why he hasn’t.) Because that’s an actual measurable number he could be held to? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351.md?page=152) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351.md?page=154)