# How can Donald Trump win at this point? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump, kamala-harris\ **Created:** [August 6, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351 "2024-08-06T21:13:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 157
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3130 "2024-10-24T11:46:18Z")
Good podcast interview about how not _all_ 18-25-year-old men are misogynist, Andrew-Tate-worshipping assholes, just _some_ of them. > **[The Brian Lehrer Show | WNYC | New York Public Radio, Podcasts, Live...](https://www.wnyc.org/story/gen-z-men-and-the-election/)** > > Brian Lehrer leads the conversation about what matters most now in local and national politics, our own communities and our lives. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3131 "2024-10-24T14:30:08Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@Irishman](#): > > > > Two named witnesses, Mark Meadows and Kash Patel, released statements that Trump never made these comments. > > both trump paid followers. Sure. However the family coming out and saying how great Trump was to them and the sister saying she voted early for him makes it a wash at best. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3132 "2024-10-24T14:39:55Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > He needs to actively campaign for Harris at this point. And then, only then will I refrain from spitting on his grave. It’ a bit hard to tell from that article, but if you look closely, it seems most of these quotes are actually from 2020 and just after. He said these things then, but has since come down on a purely pro-Trump position. So no way he’ll be actively campaigning for Harris. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3133 "2024-10-24T15:17:31Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > So no way he’ll be actively campaigning for Harris. Why would he campaign for Harris when he wants Trump to win? You know he’s “holding his nose” and voting for Trump. BTW, I hate that saying. Just admit you like the shit you are smelling when you vote. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3134 "2024-10-24T15:42:41Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Is inflation really the number 1 issue? If so, Harris would have this thing locked up, because inflation is back down to 2%. The issue is never “inflation”, that’s just what people call “high prices”. Are the prices back below what they were before the high inflation? if the answer is no then people are not going to be happy. Taking inflation down from 8 or more down to 2 is not a win. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3135 "2024-10-24T15:51:50Z")
How are we discussing prices. Your election is about ending democracy. How are prices even relevant? It is not a normal election; stop normalizing fascism. (If his own COS calls him a fascist; you need more than extraordinary evidence to argue with that. You need a note from Jesus signed by his dad with at least 3 witnesses) ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3136 "2024-10-24T15:55:02Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > > [@Akaj](#): > > > > Is inflation really the number 1 issue? If so, Harris would have this thing locked up, because inflation is back down to 2%. > > The issue is never “inflation”, that’s just what people call “high prices”. Are the prices back below what they were before the high inflation? if the answer is no then people are not going to be happy. Taking inflation down from 8 or more down to 2 is not a win. My point is that if people are so upset over higher prices that they’re willing to vote for a convicted felon, serial rapist, and wannabe fascist who’s already tried to overthrow our government once, they need to get some fucking perspective. Or … > [@The\_Librarian](#): > > How are we discussing prices. > Your election is about ending democracy. > How are prices even relevant? What they said. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3137 "2024-10-24T16:00:32Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Are the prices back below what they were before the high inflation? if the answer is no then people are not going to be happy. “_I want grocery prices, gas prices, new cars, and housing to be what it cost 30 years ago!_” “_I want grocery prices, gas prices, new cars, and housing to be what it cost 4 years ago!_” Those statements are functionally equivalent and represent the same kind of fallacious thinking. No one alive today in the United States remembers a time of deflation. Deflation can’t be a reasonable expectation of any 2024 voter. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3138 "2024-10-24T16:03:06Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Those statements are functionally equivalent and represent the same kind of fallacious thinking. No one alive today in the United States remembers a time of deflation. Deflation can’t be a reasonable expectation of any 2024 voter. Fine, but stop acting like “prices are still going up but slower” is something people need to be happy about. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3139 "2024-10-24T16:12:54Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > How are we discussing prices. > Your election is about ending democracy. > How are prices even relevant? > It is not a normal election; stop normalizing fascism. > > (If his own COS calls him a fascist; you need more than extraordinary evidence to argue with that. You need a note from Jesus signed by his dad with at least 3 witnesses) Because they don’t believe the sky is falling. The sky didn’t fall on them in 2016 so they don’t think it is now. The people who you can convince to vote don’t vote on ideology. They vote on whether they feel like their own personal situation is better or worse now than during the Trump administration. The people who vote otherwise are already voting and you can’t change their vote. A feeling is hard to fight against. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3140 "2024-10-24T16:49:58Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Fine, but stop acting like “prices are still going up but slower” is something people need to be happy about. Nothing to do with “happy”. It’s a matter of perspective and prioritization. It’s common knowledge that prices will not ever drop back down to pre-pandemic levels again. To long for that is denial. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3141 "2024-10-24T17:38:04Z")
It’s the economic theory of wheat and bread. - Wheat goes up, bread goes up - Wheat comes down, bread stays up I’m just happy those $7 a dozen eggs have receded. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3142 "2024-10-24T18:22:08Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > It’s common knowledge that prices will not ever drop back down to pre-pandemic levels again. To long for that is denial. FIFY: It’s common knowledge _among intelligent Americans_ that prices will not ever drop back down to pre-pandemic levels again. To long for that is _seriously stupid_. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3143 "2024-10-24T21:58:54Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Oh, I’m sorry to tell you there’s a heap of this cohort who’d think that if this were true(\*) the family must have padded the bill and good on him for not paying. Because we have as large a proportion of a-holes as the general population. > > (\* I mean, sure, we can totally see him off-handedly saying “we’ll pay for it” and then later saying “like hell we’re paying that much for this” since it’s his usual M.O. ) I agree with all of that. Many of Trump’s fans not only believe that he made the “It doesn’t cost 60,000 bucks to bury a fucking Mexican!” comment----they do indeed admire him for making it. > [@DrDeth](#): > > both trump paid followers. That’s right. I don’t trust anything out of the mouths of either Mark Meadows or Kash Patel. But, that said: > [@Irishman](#): > > I’m inclined to drop it. There are so many other evidence-supported things to say about Trump that (I agree) there’s no need to belabor this one. I do believe the sister’s account of what happened is implausible, as I’ve said elsewhere, but I would not bring up this anecdote in conversation with any Trump fan. It’s not solid enough. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3144 "2024-10-24T22:10:04Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > But trump said he’d pay for it. They likely went for a nicer, fancier funeral, not a no-frills one. Because of the attention to her death, there was a large public memorial and a smaller funeral ceremony. A random person could have a less expensive funeral, but her death garnered attention that made her funeral more public. > [@bordelond](#): > > Those statements are functionally equivalent and represent the same kind of fallacious thinking. But the illusion is more tempting in just 4 years. High inflation makes the prices rise rapidly, and that kind of change is easy to think it can be reversed. “Prices were _just_ x, e should be able to make them x again.” > [@Loach](#): > > Because they don’t believe the sky is falling. > The sky didn’t fall on them in 2016 so they don’t think it is now. > The people who you can convince to vote don’t vote on ideology. They vote on whether they feel like their own personal situation is better or worse now than during the Trump administration. Exactly! ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3145 "2024-10-25T00:49:46Z")
I heard an NPR interview with James Carville today (for those not familiar, he’s the cantankerous Cajun who helped Clinton win in ‘92, by reminding him “it’s the economy, stupid”. He has a new documentary coming out that’s about him, and he turns 80 tomorrow) He wasn’t interested in talking about polls. He said he lives in the present, and now is the time for Harris to go out and spend the next two weeks acting like a winner. His message: We aren’t interested in polls. We are interested in counting votes. That’s where the conversation lies. And he felt confident that Harris would win. He noted that, after Trump’s fluke election in 2016, he lost Congress in ‘18, lost the White House in 2020, and then republicans lost again in 2022, when they were boasting of a red wave. He said Harris has more money and a better ground game. Now isn’t the time to be mealy mouthed, and worry whether America has some sort of authoritarian bent. She needs to go out and “win the damn thing.” (And his best argument to address the remaining undecideds: Trump’s own Director of National Intelligence said he thought Trump was a Russian agent. His own chief of staff said he’s a fascist. He’s a threat to constitutional government). > **[Donald Trump's intel chief suspected Putin's "blackmail": Bob Woodward](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trumps-intel-chief-dan-coats-suspected-putins-blackmail-bob-woodward-1971807)** > > Former director of national intelligence Dan Coats suspects Trump is being blackmailed by Putin, according to Bob Woodward. > **[Trump’s former chief of staff says he fits ‘fascist’ definition and prefers...](https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/22/politics/trump-fascist-john-kelly/index.html)** > > John Kelly, the retired Marine general who was Donald Trump’s White House chief of staff, entered the 2024 fray in stunning fashion, saying the former president fits “into the general definition of fascist” and wanted the “kind of generals Hitler... ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3146 "2024-10-25T01:13:50Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > And he felt confident that Harris would win. He noted that, after Trump’s fluke election in 2016, he lost Congress in ‘18, lost the White House in 2020, and then republicans lost again in 2022, when they were boasting of a red wave. It is worth remembering that the person with the second most votes in the history of the US was Trump in 2020. Not to mention the vagaries of the electoral college. For democrats it is all about getting people to the polls. If they think Harris has it in the bag (as most people thought Clinton did in 2016) they might stay home. This is not a time to be complacent. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3147 "2024-10-25T01:34:38Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > This is not a time to be complacent. The advantage of where the polls are: few are feeling complacent! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3148 "2024-10-25T01:40:27Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > This is not a time to be complacent. Carville wasn’t suggesting complacency. He was arguing for confidence: Democrats should be talking as if their candidate will win. Obviously that includes voting and helping others do so, too. But people want to vote for the winning team. I thought the student marches to the polls that I saw today were pretty heartening. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3149 "2024-10-25T03:03:54Z")
Polls are trickling out suggesting Trump may be AHEAD in popular vote. If that were actually so, his victory odds would be extremely high. 538 now has Trump creeping ahead in PA, which would be disastrous. If I had to bet $100 at this point I’d put it on Trump. But I wouldn’t bet money I could afford to lose. My subjective view is the Harris campaign seems a bit gassed in the public eye and the Russia/Musk/Fox disinfo campaign is working. That’s just my view though. The polls are what tell the likely truth. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351.md?page=156) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351.md?page=158)