# How can Donald Trump win at this point? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump, kamala-harris\ **Created:** [August 6, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351 "2024-08-06T21:13:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 167
**Author:** ![TeroSunbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terosunbear/32/14748_2.png) [@TeroSunbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeroSunbear)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3330 "2024-10-28T19:16:38Z")
I’m now assuming the polls are all skewed the last month or so. So we have almost no PA data. I foolishly wnet and bought 2 books and some candy to get 35 dollars and free shipping. Now I don’t know if I have time but eat the candy before I have to read the first 30 pages of each of the books. Then pack up all the books I am keeping, throw away half my music as it is on CD and then put it all in a storage locker. And live in Europe for 4 years of Trump. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3331 "2024-10-28T19:35:16Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > I don’t know which of the numerous threads this would be appropriate for, and I’m not sure how much discussion it warrants, but how could Hillary’s “basket of deplorables” have been considered to have hurt her so much It likely didn’t. It was just something for people who werent going to vote for her anyway to use. They just didnt like to be called out on their bigotry. > [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](#): > > Clinton’s “basket of deplorables” hurt her because every Trump voter thought they were being thrown into that basket. Well, how would that hurt her? they were, as you said- trump voters. And in context, she was completely right- _You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? [Laughter/applause]. The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up._ > [@DigitalC](#): > > We really have zero idea of that comment hurt Hillary or not. Right. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3332 "2024-10-28T22:24:38Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > And in context, she was completely right Why did she walk it back an oh-so-short-while later? ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3333 "2024-10-29T00:29:23Z")
Here is yet another answer to the thread title question: It looks like young first time male voters wil skew GOP: [Are Young Men Really Going to Vote for Donald Trump?](https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/are-young-men-really-going-to-vote) > [@](#): > > In a [poll](https://www.americansurveycenter.org/research/the-politics-of-progress-and-privilege-how-americas-gender-gap-is-reshaping-the-2024-election/) conducted by the Survey Center on American Life this fall, men ages 18 to 24 were far less likely to identify as feminist and liberal than those ages 25 to 29. Cohn’s [recent analysis](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/18/upshot/polls-trump-harris-young-men.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare) suggests a similar pattern. In swing states that collect voter-registration status, young men are one point more Democratic than Republican. But young men who registered in the last 12 months are registering as a Republican over a Democrat by a margin of six points. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3334 "2024-10-29T01:14:52Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Why did she walk it back an oh-so-short-while later? Hillary is a consummate politician. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3335 "2024-10-29T02:03:48Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > But young men who registered in the last 12 months are registering as a Republican over a Democrat by a margin of six points. My (optimistic?) theory is that even if young men are in some ways cancelling out the advantage that Kamala gets from young women, there will be FAR greater turnout among young women. Who is voting with more passion and conviction… a girl who doesn’t want to die from being denied an abortion, or a guy who just wants to be edgy more or less for edginess’ sake? ---
**Author:** ![gracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8e7dd6/32.png) [@gracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gracer)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3336 "2024-10-29T08:05:38Z")
Bernie Sanders just released a video appeal to people who are considering not voting for Harris because of Gaza: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Vf5MThSniiY/maxresdefault.jpg "“I disagree with Kamala’s position on the war in Gaza. How can I vote for her?” Here is my answer:") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf5MThSniiY) I hope it helps. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3337 "2024-10-29T09:28:30Z")
Great message but I wonder where it is going to be played. It’s long for an ad. ---
**Author:** ![gracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8e7dd6/32.png) [@gracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gracer)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3338 "2024-10-29T14:06:10Z")
Well I originally saw it on TikTok, where it has the potential to reach the right audience. Then I Googled for a link to post here and saw that CNN had it too, but I’m not sure how many people that would reach if it’s sort-of buried under actual news… ---
**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3339 "2024-10-29T18:22:16Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Here is yet another answer to the thread title question: It looks like young first time male voters wil skew GOP: There is reason for hope here. Harris has a big lead amongst women, Trump a similar one amongst men, especially young men. Young men are far less likely to actually cast their vote. Furthermore, this is a group who have not traditionally voted R - and so the Republicans will not have a particularly effective ground game to actually engage with these voters to get them out to the polls. I also think that Trump has been spending a lot of money on polling (it was reported that he admitted it in that interview with Joe Rogan) because if/when he loses by a larger margin than the polls suggest, he will be able to claim it was stolen. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3340 "2024-10-29T18:40:20Z")
There’s also every possibility that some voting suppression measures that GOP state governments have engaged in could backfire on them. Some GOP states have taken steps specifically designed to make it harder for young people to vote – denying university/community college IDs as a valid voter ID, curtailing voter outreach and registration drives at schools and campuses – because they’ve seen young people as Democratic votes. I’d imagine that young women whose bodily autonomy is on the line are more likely to jump through these hoops than young men who just get a laugh out of Trump calling Walz “Tampon Tim.” ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3341 "2024-10-29T19:21:09Z")
> [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](#): > > I also think that Trump has been spending a lot of money on polling (it was reported that he admitted it in that interview with Joe Rogan) because if/when he loses by a larger margin than the polls suggest, he will be able to claim it was stolen. Of course, he will use every excuse to say the election was stolen. But what he said to Rogan was that he paid for polls and then the pollsters sat on their asses and made up numbers. And, of course, he would think that because that’s what he would do. He thinks he is getting ripped off but didn’t seem too much bothered by it I guess because game recognizes game (and it’s not his money). ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3342 "2024-10-29T19:27:20Z")
I think its more likely that either the polls he paid for didn’t tell him what he wanted to hear so he dismisses them as fake, or they faked the numbers to make him happy and he figured it out from seeing other polls. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2024, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3343 "2024-10-29T19:32:38Z")
Good point. Let’s hope you’re right. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2024, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3344 "2024-10-31T01:06:43Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I think its more likely that either the polls he paid for didn’t tell him what he wanted to hear so he dismisses them as fake, or they faked the numbers to make him happy and he figured it out from seeing other polls. yep, I can totally see him taking the sharpie to the polling results ---
**Author:** ![Ferris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ferris/32/11573_2.png) [@Ferris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferris)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2024, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3345 "2024-10-31T05:54:07Z")
Only the _best_ polls… ---
**Author:** ![TeroSunbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terosunbear/32/14748_2.png) [@TeroSunbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeroSunbear)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2024, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3346 "2024-10-31T11:55:50Z")
Hannity says Trump is having a good time. Three rallies! Lots of stand up in 58 days, he should do Vegas. [Kamala HQ (@kamalahq) on Threads](https://www.threads.net/@kamalahq/post/DBxTXw0pHhc?xmt=AQGzICKfoeUtLYz039n-KdVn_sWM8_h-KuH6YNwfWQXN-w) ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2024, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3347 "2024-10-31T14:17:56Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > yep, I can totally see him taking the sharpie to the polling results He literally fired all his internal pollsters in 2020. It is certainly possible his current ones are just faking it so they don’t get fired. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2024, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3348 "2024-10-31T18:22:09Z")
I came here to post this, after hearing about it on Bloomberg. Apparently, Trump outsourced the GOTV effort to Musk, and it’s a disaster. Including hiring of workers who didn’t know they were working on behalf of Trump, workers being transported around in the back of UHauls (surely illegal), and workers being told that if they didn’t meet quotas they’d have to pay for their own hotel rooms and airfare home > **[Musk’s get-out-the-vote workers didn’t know they were canvassing for Trump –...](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/oct/31/canvassers-musk-get-out-the-vote-effort)** > > Workers discovered they were working to drum up turnout for Trump after signing non-disclosure agreements ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/3349 "2024-11-01T02:17:10Z")
Sounds like a winning GOTV strategy. “Go vote for Trump” “Why?” “Fucked if I know. I’m just paid to say this. M’kay bye” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351.md?page=166) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351.md?page=168)