# How can Donald Trump win at this point? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump, kamala-harris\ **Created:** [August 6, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351 "2024-08-06T21:13:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/321 "2024-08-08T22:25:19Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > At least four upcoming events are likely to widen that lead: > > - Continued aggressive campaigning by Team Harris > - The Democratic Convention later this month > - The debate on September 10 > - Trump sentencing on the 34 felony counts on September 18 I’ll add two more: - Fed expected to cut interest rates in September - Summer-blend gasoline begins coming off the market, dropping prices at the pump ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/322 "2024-08-08T22:29:21Z")
Completely anecdotal (kind of), but every night when I watch the Olympics in Houston, Texas on NBC during primetime I’m seeing a lot of Harris ads. No Trump ads. ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/323 "2024-08-08T22:33:04Z")
I’m just gonna go ahead and knock on wood. Let’s hope this isn’t the peak of her campaign because the good attacks haven’t even started yet. And best hope economy doesn’t go into the shitter. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/324 "2024-08-08T22:43:34Z")
> [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > I’m just gonna go ahead and knock on wood. Let’s hope this isn’t the peak of her campaign because the good attacks haven’t even started yet. You think they’re holding back–or just haven’t thought up “good attacks” yet? I think they have no ammo. None in the tube, and none at the dump. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/325 "2024-08-08T23:25:47Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > SCOTUS has said NO to all those bogus election claims. SCOTUS is not the friend of trump like you think. Do you think that they would have arrived at the same decision regarding immunity if a Democratic president had brought the case? My opinion is not a chance, they wouldn’t have even heard the case. There are two crooked grifters and four other right wing maniacs on the court, they have lost all credibility. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/326 "2024-08-09T00:22:38Z")
Floridian here. As I’ve said elsewhere, Florida has 2 big issues on its ballot, in the form of constitutional amendments: recreational marijuana (it’s currently legal for medicinal use, something that received 70% of the vote when it passed), and abortion. So, Florida has reason to draw democratic voters. Then again, I’m not seeing ads (from either party) on TV. I expect the blitz is to come. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/327 "2024-08-09T00:34:55Z")
Agreed. This court is dogshit baking on a tattered piece of aluminum foil in the sun after a rainstorm. How would they rule on further Trump cases? Not sure. They have no organizing principle at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/328 "2024-08-09T01:55:47Z")
Ben Meiselas goes over the lowlights of Trump’s press conference: > **[Trump Has DISASTROUS Presser as CAMPAIGN COLLAPSES](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqAvCOYERGQ%2F)** > > MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas reports on Donald Trump’s disastrous press conference in Mar-A-Lago has his campaign collapses and VP Harris and Governor Walz ... My observation: Trump has an odd affect here. A bit different from the usual. It’s as if the lizard has become a bit desiccated and is looking around with more vigilance. Unsettling. This is not a man who is confident of his future or able to direct its course, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/329 "2024-08-09T02:17:01Z")
And this loose stool _dares_ to compare himself to MLK Jr.? Words, concepts, everything fails me. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/330 "2024-08-09T03:29:40Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Do you think that they would have arrived at the same decision regarding immunity if a Democratic president had brought the case? Yes, since the President _should have_ immunity for certain official acts- within limits. The reason for the decision was that no other president had ever even been _charged_ with any real crimes (a few traffic violations- which I might add the President paid in full). The big issue with the decision is that it did not define and set limits for said official acts, but left that open for future courts. That made it a bad decision. Let us say the President pardons a guy- who then murders a bunch of people, and they want to charge the President with various crimes. Would that be right? ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/331 "2024-08-09T03:55:01Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Ben Meiselas goes over the lowlights of Trump’s press conference: And he didn’t even get to this > **[Trump said he ‘went down’ in helicopter ‘emergency landing’...](https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/08/politics/trump-helicopter-story-willie-brown/index.html)** > > Former President Donald Trump recounted a story to reporters on Thursday about being involved in a helicopter emergency landing with former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/332 "2024-08-09T04:06:37Z")
LMFAO. Yep, this guy’s gonna WIN! ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/333 "2024-08-09T04:15:59Z")
When was the last time refusing to certify turned out to be a successful tactic? ---
**Author:** ![Ferris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ferris/32/11573_2.png) [@Ferris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferris)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/334 "2024-08-09T06:37:00Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Screwing with the election is the only way. They already tried it with the fake electors (they called them alternative 🤪) Some of those folks are going to jail. Frankly, that has got to be the dumbest idea any person has falled for (well except all of Trumps other BS). But it could have sowed so much confusion, that the election went to the House. > > They are going to screw with the election. They already are. It’s a continual worry that voter lists and rules will be altered to favour Trump. But against that, I vaguely recall the GOTV campaign in 2020 was very successful. No cites, sorry, but I imagine a significant part of the Democrat campaign strategy will be tied to GOTV, and having the funds, field offices and volunteers to hand must make that task a lot more likely to succeed. Sobering to think that the additional cost to basic democracy of countering foul play is so huge, but clearly vital. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/335 "2024-08-09T10:56:43Z")
> [@sciurophobic](#): > > When was the last time refusing to certify turned out to be a successful tactic? It doesn’t have to be overtly successful. It just has to sow enough confusion and chaos to potentially cause a state to miss the deadline for certifying or create a touchpoint for lawsuits (election official sues, says they were forced or coerced to certify) that they can point to when refusing to accept a state’s certification. They didn’t expect the alternate electors to work, as in be accepted as legitimate, only to give them a reason to send the vote to the House, where a Republican victory is absolutely assured. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/336 "2024-08-09T11:30:24Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > As I’ve said elsewhere, Florida has 2 big issues on its ballot, in the form of constitutional amendments: recreational marijuana (it’s currently legal for medicinal use, something that received 70% of the vote when it passed), and abortion. > > So, Florida has reason to draw democratic voters. That’s really good news - the kind of thing that can drive turnout. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/337 "2024-08-09T11:37:28Z")
Trump is up 7% (on average) in the three Florida polls cited here since Kamala jumped in. That’s a big hill to climb, even with the pro-pot and pro-choice referenda. > **[Florida : President: general election : 2024 Polls](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/florida/)** > > The latest political polls and polling averages from FiveThirtyEight. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/338 "2024-08-09T11:54:24Z")
2020, Bush v Gore, a successful right wing coup. ---
**Author:** ![dogbutler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dogbutler/32/428_2.png) [@dogbutler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dogbutler)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/339 "2024-08-09T12:36:50Z")
> [@mozchron](#): > > Hold on to that good feeling but this is FAR from over. Complacency will kill us. > > How can he win? A combination of 1) the inherent electoral college advantage to republicans, 2) voter suppression, and 3) cheating (election deniers have been elected as vote certifiers in numerous battleground regions). > > This needs to be a blowout. Vote as if we’re 20 points behind. Vote as if our lives depend on it. Because they do. True. Also because whether it’s from past policies or future crises(Iran/Israel), Harris will lose little slivers of voters, while a lot of people will be turned off by Trump’s actions, and then show up and reflexively vote the straight Republican slate on the ballot. ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/340 "2024-08-09T13:20:27Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > 2020, Bush v Gore, a successful right wing coup. That wasn’t due to a refusal to certify. In that instance the argument was over whether the certification by the Secretary of State was premature. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351.md?page=18)