# How can Donald Trump win at this point? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump, kamala-harris\ **Created:** [August 6, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351 "2024-08-06T21:13:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/561 "2024-08-13T19:36:01Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Nope. The RNC is now totally a trump institution, dedicated to paying his expenses and seeing that he wins. trump doesnt give a crap about down ballot races. he cares about one race and one race only, hoping to keep his ass out of prison. The RNC is not the only Republican campaign entity out there. The NRSC, NRCC, and probably most importantly, an ocean of industry and conservative issue SuperPACs very much give a crap about the outcome of the down ballot races. Particularly if it starts to look like he’s cooked, they will stop giving a shit what he thinks and focus solely on trying to cling to at least one chamber of Congress to have any leverage over the next two years. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/562 "2024-08-13T19:40:38Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > She knows Donald Trump’s type and is hardly some passive pollyanna. You don’t think she and her team are gaming out anything and everything the fascists can try to pull? She also doesn’t talk about him much, which just infuriates him. Especially when we learned from the Time magazine cover that he has the hots for her, because she looks like Melania (maybe that’s a love/hate thing actually). ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/563 "2024-08-13T19:41:15Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > I _am_ concerned about raucous, potentially violent protests next week, especially as I’ll be working in downtown Chicago next week. I could easily see protestors egged on by agitators grabbing national headlines. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/564 "2024-08-13T19:59:55Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I could easily see protestors egged on by agitators grabbing national headlines. I think that’s entirely possible, if not probable. Prior to Biden stepping aside, I read a fair amount of talk about Democrats being concerned about a repeat of the protests at the 1968 DNC (also in Chicago), particularly driven by the Gaza war. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/565 "2024-08-13T20:20:33Z")
> [@Gordon\_G](#): > > Georgia and Arizona will fall to Trump whatever the vote-count. Georgia, maybe not. The Georgia GOP is not entirely in trump’s thrall. Both Raffensberger and the former Republican Lt. Governor have been all over the place the last few days bad- mouthing the board that passed the new election rules as hyper-partisan and wrong. There are, of course, some MAGAts, but you might be surprised at the independence of a lot of the Georgia GOP. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/566 "2024-08-13T20:39:57Z")
> [@Gordon\_G](#): > > If corrupt election officials are allowed to do their planned dirt (and there may be nothing to stop them) Georgia and Arizona will fall to Trump whatever the vote-count. Short of actually manipulating the vote count, I’m not sure that this is a huge issue. It was sneakily tried in 2020 in both Arizona and Michigan (if memory serves), and it was snuffed out right away. When everybody knows the actual winner, it will be damn hard to officially declare that the other candidate won. Particularly if the election is not close, which is what we’re all hoping for. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/567 "2024-08-13T21:03:00Z")
> [@Gordon\_G](#): > > Cheating is my big fear. The GOP is _already_ cheating and there will be more cheating shenanigans to follow. If corrupt election officials are allowed to do their planned dirt (and there may be nothing to stop them) Georgia and Arizona will fall to Trump whatever the vote-count. I’ll link to this post as often as necessary: > [@Trump Pressured Georgia Official to ‘Find’ Enough Votes to Overturn Election](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-pressured-georgia-official-to-find-enough-votes-to-overturn-election/929592/500): > > Media coverage of election-denying officials have greatly exaggerated how much impact individual refusals to certify can really have. Significant procedural delays in election certification can’t be effected by single and small-group actors. Remedies already exist and the mousetraps are already sprung (see @Aspenglow ’s post above). No one’s being caught off-guard this time around. Further reading about the said remedies and certification safeguards in the post linked below. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/568 "2024-08-14T01:01:16Z")
> [@Gordon\_G](#): > > Georgia and Arizona will fall to Trump whatever the vote-count. According to 538 polls, Harris now has a 1% lead over trump. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/569 "2024-08-14T01:42:44Z")
This is pretty much a guarantee and one of my greatest concerns about things that could stall momentum and enthusiasm for Harris/Walz. [Check out this article from the Chicago Sun-Times](https://chicago.suntimes.com/2024-democratic-national-convention/2024/08/12/dnc-democratic-national-convention-protests-kamala-harris-israel-gaza-lgbtq-reproductive-rights-cpd-police) about the planned protests during the DNC. Scroll down and check the photo of the march to the Israeli consulate. That’s a large crowd. Add to this the fact the Chicago Police are not known for patience and understanding when it comes to protesters who don’t follow direction. Particularly when their skin tone is a bit darker than snowy white. And God forbid any groups protesting in favor of Israel come face to face with the pro-Palestinian protesters. THAT will likely turn violent very quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/570 "2024-08-14T02:01:44Z")
Shitloads of manipulation, intimidation and just flat-out cheating trumps polls nine out of eight times. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/571 "2024-08-14T02:07:14Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > THAT will likely turn violent very quickly. Especially with a nudge. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/572 "2024-08-14T02:27:35Z")
The Chicago Police are onto the potential and have already said that they are not going to allow rioting. Harris already shut down a protest at a rally in what can be described as _maximally effective fashion._ I think she’s ready. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/573 "2024-08-14T02:44:38Z")
> [@Gordon\_G](#): > > Cheating is my big fear. The GOP is _already_ cheating and there will be more cheating shenanigans to follow. If corrupt election officials are allowed to do their planned dirt (and there may be nothing to stop them) Georgia and Arizona will fall to Trump whatever the vote-count. Until a few weeks ago, Trump had good reason to think that he would legitimately win the election. It would be interesting if he neglected his efforts to manipulate the election, and is now scrambling to catch up. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/574 "2024-08-14T02:53:28Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > The Chicago Police are onto the potential and have already said that they are not going to allow rioting. I suspect protesters are more likely to block delegates from getting to the convention than to riot. If the police outnumber the people trying to stop the convention, police can easily arrest law breakers, and then let them go the next morning without giving them the attention that comes from trials. I hope that’s the approach. If the police are greatly outnumbered by people blocking roads, there will be a problem. There also will be a problem if there is opportunistic looting disconnected to the protests. I hope Chicago has lots and lots of police. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/575 "2024-08-14T03:23:08Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Add to this the fact the Chicago Police are not known for patience and understanding when it comes to protesters who don’t follow direction. Particularly when their skin tone is a bit darker than snowy white. I expect the protesters will be much whiter than Chicago as a whole. But next time the Democrats might want to have it in Manhattan. More police, fewer problems. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/576 "2024-08-14T03:39:37Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > The Chicago Police are onto the potential and have already said that they are not going to allow rioting. My post said nothing about riots but keep in mind what happened in 1968 was judged a **police riot.** If you think CPD have evolved from there you are seriously deceived. My expectation is violence could happen when non-lily white protesters fail to **immediately** listen to CPD and heads are cracked. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/577 "2024-08-14T03:41:21Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > I expect the protesters will be much whiter than Chicago as a whole. You don’t live here. I doubt they will be whiter than CPD. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/578 "2024-08-14T03:50:16Z")
I do live here. The comment was not whiter than the CPD but than Chicago as a whole. And the crux of the answer is who is going to be the protesters. I don’t really know myself. Could be people of Arab descent and brown skin. Or could be mostly upper middle class college kids both sincerely wanting action some and some posturing. I’ll be less surprised by the latter than the former. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/579 "2024-08-14T03:57:24Z")
Did you look at the Sun-TImes article I linked above? Those are pro-Palestinian groups and they will mostly not be white enough for CPD. My point as it relates to this thread was and remains that any violence at the DNC will be seized on by the trolls like LaCivita running the Trump campaign to make Harris look like a danger to the country. That’s pretty much it. I would expect any further discussion of potential violence or rowdy protests at the DNC should be in a new thread. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/580 "2024-08-14T04:34:07Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > My point as it relates to this thread was and remains that any violence at the DNC will be seized on by the trolls like LaCivita running the Trump campaign to make Harris look like a danger to the country. That’s pretty much it. Where were these guys when the RNC convention was happening? So they’re going to protest at the DNC, potentially undermining Harris-Walz, and thereby enabling the most zealous Netanyahu sidekick and and pro-Israel hawk to ever run for president. What a bunch of morons! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351.md?page=30)