# How can Donald Trump win at this point? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump, kamala-harris\ **Created:** [August 6, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351 "2024-08-06T21:13:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/41 "2024-08-06T22:34:18Z")
One thing that can help Trump win is that there’s lots of cheating schemes happening, like the “True the Vote” movement challenging thousands of perfectly qualified voters because they’re perceived as Democratic-leaning. And schemes similar to those hatched in 2020, some of which Trump is under indictment for, are likely also in play. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/42 "2024-08-06T22:36:42Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Actually, Anthony Scaramucci, Trump’s former communications man, was something just like this in a video a couple days ago. He suggested that Trump might drop out if he can get a deal not to go to prison from the various authorities. _psst_ Hey, buddy, I got a great deal on some beachfront property in Florida! Get in early and you can corner the hotel market… Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/43 "2024-08-06T22:38:38Z")
> [@mozchron](#): > > This needs to be a blowout. Vote as if we’re 20 points behind. Vote as if our lives depend on it. Because they do. Not as if we are 20 points behind. At that point we are doomed and time spent voting may be better spent googling Norway’s immigration laws. Vote as if Harris is one vote behind. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/44 "2024-08-06T22:39:43Z")
I also do not think it will happen, but the idea is out there. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/45 "2024-08-06T22:42:33Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Not as if we are 20 points behind. At that point we are doomed and time spent voting may be better spent googling Norway’s immigration laws. Vote as if Harris is one vote behind. I think it’s less pretending we are behind and more desiring to _crush and abase_ the opposition. We don’t just want to win the presidency; we want to delete the GOP from the American scene and win _every single_ downballot race. Even if Trump is bound to win in red states, we still want to win every winnable race in these states as well. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/46 "2024-08-06T22:42:40Z")
There’s a strange tactic among sports fans where they pretend to be a fan of team A (but are actually are a fan of team B) and make huge overconfident claims like there’s “no way they can lose” to team B even though it’s clearly going to be a close contest. What they are really doing is sowing seeds they can reap later where they can gloat even harder on how team A choked away a sure victory. Strange stuff ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/47 "2024-08-06T22:45:18Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > I think it’s less pretending we are behind and more desiring to _crush and abase_ the opposition. We don’t just want to win the presidency; we want to delete the GOP from the American scene and win _every single_ downballot race. I’d be happy just to keep Trump out of office, I’m not sure we have to go the _Conan the Barbarian_ route. I don’t need to hear the lamentations of their women. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/48 "2024-08-06T22:46:01Z")
Fair enough, but I have not heard that the GOP has a strong GOTV operation this year, whereas Biden did and now Harris does. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/49 "2024-08-06T22:47:24Z")
Winning isn’t good enough. This man needs to be buried deep. He needs to lose so bad that his own followers are ashamed to be associated with him. His picture should be on the front page of history books, captioned “ **Never Again** ” and/or “ **We Have To Be Better Than This** ”. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/50 "2024-08-06T22:48:57Z")
😺 In all seriousness, we need to demoralize the fascists so that they can do less damage in the future. The only lamentations from women I want to hear is from those dumb enough to support Trump when he loses. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/51 "2024-08-06T22:50:41Z")
Indeed. Only a burned with ashes scattered loss will teach these nazis the lesson they need. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/52 "2024-08-06T22:52:50Z")
The point is to avoid the complacency that IMHO to a large extent set off this whole debacle back in 2016. For any person with half brain, Clinton was a superior candidate to Trump, but she was far from perfect. Still as of November 6 2016, everyone knew that she was going to win, the only question was by how much. This meant that it was the perfect opportunity to demonstrate your dissatisfaction by staying home voting 3rd party, or even casting a joke vote for Trump, for shits and giggles. The last thing we need is for those pro-Gaza Democrats who are smart enough to realize that as bad as the Biden administration is for the Palestinians Trump would be worse, to feel that they can safely “vote their conscience” since Harris will win anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/53 "2024-08-06T22:53:35Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > We don’t just want to win the presidency; we want to delete the GOP from the American scene and win _every single_ downballot race. Even if Trump is bound to win in red states, we still want to win every winnable race in these states as well. I mean, if we’re doing fantasy, I’d like a giant flying elephant and an unbreakable magic sword named “Pertinacious”. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/54 "2024-08-06T22:57:27Z")
+5 Vorpal FTW. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2024, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/55 "2024-08-06T23:46:44Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > This was his Gettysburg Address There is some historical debate on exactly _where_ he wrote that (back of an envelope on a train to PA being my choice) and what he said. It’s also believed he was amidst a “mild” case of smallpox. Some writer in Trump’s employ wrote this diatribe (if it rises to that level). Yet it’s the electronic voting machines I worry about. A few weeks ago (as a New Yorker with an Irish Passport) I voted in the UK by checking a box on a piece of paper and stuffing it (so to speak) into a cardboard box. > The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/56 "2024-08-07T00:03:31Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > If he manages to pull off Jan 6 2.0 except this time with guns, Fat blowhard cowards. There is no risk of that. > [@Horatius](#): > > Yeah, the most likely way for Trump to win is a sudden onslaught of overconfidence and complacency among Democratic voters. Harris is only polling a few points better than trump. > [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > I think the 1/6/2021 insurrection is a major factor that will hurt Republicans, Nope, but killing Roe to appease a few extreme right wing evangelicals will. Note that less than 15% of Americans want abortion banned. Yes, many want controls and limits, but only a very few want it banned. > [@Dogginit](#): > > Someone a couple miles down the road from us had been proudly displaying “Trump was right about everything!” banners on the corner of their pasture fence. Wasn’t but a couple days after Trump’s NY conviction was announced that the banners disappeared. OTOH I saw posts on FB “I am voting for the felon”. > [@Atamasama](#): > > . If Trump is given any kind of real punishment in New York, especially if it involves any kind of detention, that would be a huge blow to him. In NY it is normal to allow a convicted felon to stay out on bail until the first appeal. Mind you, the judge doesnt have to do that, and the judge certainly can put restrictions- such as no consorting with felons. So, any hope you might have of trump being in prison during the last days of the election are extremely slim. > [@Aeschines](#): > > We knew how when Biden was the candidate: Biden was checked out and down in the polls. Trump was _probably_ going to win. Biden was behind like 1 or 2%, sometimes ahead, and sometimes more behind than that. Harris is only running about 4% better than trump. So, it is like a 6% difference- that is tiny. > [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > The last thing we need is for those pro-Gaza Democrats who are smart enough to realize that as bad as the Biden administration is for the Palestinians Trump would be worse, to feel that they can safely “vote their conscience” since Harris will win anyway. The Biden admin has been better than most think for the Gazans. And trump would be a nightmare. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/57 "2024-08-07T00:11:18Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > I am sincerely asking _how_ Trump can win. Electoral college, same as 2016. Biden was up SIGNIFICANTLY more than Kamala is now last election and he won by a handful of votes in several key states, at this point Kamala is not close to where she needs to be. Trump is currently still winning this race, we have the momentum, but we are not in the lead. Other than that, the obvious answer is cheating. He has the supreme court solidly in his corner, so even a close win like Biden got last time would not be enough. Stop this, anything short than a complete massacre is likely going to be a Trump win. ---
**Author:** ![Disinfectus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/disinfectus/32/11085_2.png) [@Disinfectus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disinfectus)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/58 "2024-08-07T00:11:19Z")
Donald Trump can win due to shady tactics, or due to complacency on the left. I’m more worried about the latter. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/59 "2024-08-07T00:11:31Z")
Well, he might call Wall Street and say to them “tank the economy and I’ll give you everything you want,” but their response could simply be, realistically “we always get everything we want anyway.” ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2024, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/60 "2024-08-07T00:12:51Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Fat blowhard cowards. There is no risk of that. Yet people probably could have said the same thing about Timothy McVeigh yet he managed to kill quite a few people. You don’t know if there’s a risk or not. Bluster won’t stop anyone. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351.md?page=4)