# How can Donald Trump win at this point? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump, kamala-harris\ **Created:** [August 6, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351 "2024-08-06T21:13:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/601 "2024-08-14T16:34:04Z")
Who _would_ help Trump with white male voters? ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/602 "2024-08-14T16:57:26Z")
I don’t know, but he sure is working on impressing the black votors with this one. > **[Kwame Kilpatrick to speak at Oakland County Republican Party dinner](https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/kwame-kilpatrick-to-speak-at-oakland-county-republican-party-dinner/)** > > Kilpatrick, as well as Ben Carson, are scheduled to speak at the annual dinner on Aug. 21. This is the former mayor of Detroit that was convicted of felony fraud and then pardoned by Trump. Convicted felons got to have each others backs. Wait, I thought Ben Carson died? Is this a Weekend at Bernies type endorsement? Will dead people be voting for Trump now? ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/603 "2024-08-14T17:14:52Z")
LOL, sounds legit, right? “Black people love me because I’m a criminal like them, you know, so many have been arrested, it’s so unfair–and I sell those fine–whadda black people call 'em?–kicks! Yeah, crime and kicks–that’s why black people love me so much.” _Not an actual Trump quote, but not too far off._ ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/604 "2024-08-14T17:41:25Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > Wait, I thought Ben Carson died? No, perhaps you’re thinking of Herman Cain. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/605 "2024-08-14T18:15:35Z")
_Oh shit,_ guys, Florida is now in play: > **[Latest Harris-Trump poll highlights danger for former president in Florida](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/08/13/kamala-harris-trump-florida-polls/74770114007/)** > > A new USA TODAY/Suffolk University survey shows Trump leading Harris, but within the margin of error Is it possible to tighten lug nuts while a bus flying off a cliff?! ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/606 "2024-08-14T18:58:54Z")
I can’t see that as quite enough to declare FL in play. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/607 "2024-08-14T19:21:41Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > She’s a big donor and I’ve seen reporting DJT is going to meet with her to smooth this over. How’s he going to do that? Tell her she’s “his type” and he’d love to grab her by the pussy? ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/608 "2024-08-14T19:24:06Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I can’t see that as quite enough to declare FL in play. True, but remember that both pot _and_ abortion are on the ballot in November. That should bring out some voters who otherwise might stay home. A boy can dream, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/609 "2024-08-14T19:39:00Z")
> [@Railer13](#): > > True, but remember that both pot _and_ abortion are on the ballot in November. That should bring out some voters who otherwise might stay home. My opinion and $6 will get you a latte … but I disagree with the prevailing wisdom here. Florida is absolutely in play right now. I base that not only ballot initiatives you’ve correctly mentioned, but on **[the trendline in her Florida-specific poll numbers](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/florida/)**. Harris needs that trendline to continue and for recent poll results to be corroborated and repeated – but there’s no way Trump’s campaign can now treat winning Florida as a _fait accomplit_. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/610 "2024-08-14T19:52:14Z")
Yes, and one must keep in mind that we don’t need to _win_ there in order to have this be a big benefit to us, since forcing the fascists to fight for Florida\* requires them to _defend_ that territory. That in turn costs personpower and money. \*Alliteration alert! ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/611 "2024-08-14T19:53:03Z")
Nah, his insane\* charisma will be enough! \*At this point, literally insane. And dementing, degenerating, etc. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/612 "2024-08-14T21:02:56Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Friends, I really don’t find pro-Palestine protests (alliteration alert!) at the DNC to be a worry at all. Everyone here knows that there have been a ton of protests on college campuses, etc., right? They are dying down somewhat. Some of those student are smart enough to realize that Biden is doing all he cane. > [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Trump will never see it that way. And he really can’t- because if he isnt elected his is in deep shit legal trouble. > [@Aeschines](#): > > _Oh shit,_ guys, Florida is now in play: > > [Kamala Harris competitive in Florida in new poll](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/08/13/kamala-harris-trump-florida-polls/74770114007/) I predicted this. Mind you still “leans trump” but the GOP cant ignore it as a done deal. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/613 "2024-08-14T21:16:14Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > LOL, sounds legit, right? > > “Black people love me because I’m a criminal like them, you know, so many have been arrested, it’s so unfair–and I sell those fine–whadda black people call 'em?–kicks! Yeah, crime and kicks–that’s why black people love me so much.” > > _Not an actual Trump quote, but not too far off._ There was a meme being circulated unironically among Trump supporters that suggested that black people love Trump because he has a Fulton County mugshot, a sneaker line and three baby mamas. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/614 "2024-08-14T21:40:32Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I predicted this. Mind you still “leans trump” but the GOP cant ignore it as a done deal. And in this very thread, no? I noted it! ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/615 "2024-08-14T21:44:28Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > There was a meme being circulated unironically among Trump supporters that suggested that black people love Trump because he has a Fulton County mugshot, a sneaker line and three baby mamas. Great user name, btw! Yeah, Trump can process a black thug, cuz he is a thug, but not a black woman kickin’ his shit-drippin’ ass. 9D chess goes south when you can’t understand your opponent in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/616 "2024-08-14T21:52:29Z")
Make DonOld spend his cash and time propping up Florida and Texas, which he only won by something like three and five points respectively in '20. And maybe in the process Dems can pick off Medicare fraudster Rick Scott. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/617 "2024-08-14T21:54:08Z")
It would be a blessing, sir. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/618 "2024-08-14T21:55:43Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > Make DonOld spend his cash and time propping up Florida and Texas, He is gonna mostly spend it on legal bills it seems. 🤪 ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/619 "2024-08-14T23:56:57Z")
I’m in FL and a registered D. Which under FL’s open records laws means both parties have my phone number, email address, and physical address in addition to my party affiliation. As do the Proud Boyz but I wish those fools well in any firefight they provoke. They’re gonna need it. To say I’m bombarded with political messages is a gross understatement. Just like every other FL voter. Not 15 minutes ago, so dinnertime-ish I got my 35th impassioned plea of the _day_ for more money to help a D cause someplace. What was novel, and what motivates this post, is that it was from the sponsoring org for Prop 4, the abortion access amendment. Claiming that right now it’s not only losing in the polls but slipping. I’m not positioned to assess the truth of their claim. Hell I’m not positioned to prove they’re not RW grifters in disguise. But it was unexpected for sure. Being in favor of a guaranteed right to abortion is about as Mom & Apple Pie as it gets. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/620 "2024-08-15T00:03:41Z")
According to the [Sun-Sentinel](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/florida-poll-finds-abortion-marijuana-amendments-falling-short-of-passage/ar-AA1oO9z), both of them have 56% support. Unfortunately, as you well know, that’s short of the 60% needed. Question for you: has the 60% threshold always been state law, or has that been changed in recent years? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351.md?page=32)