# How can Donald Trump win at this point? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump, kamala-harris\ **Created:** [August 6, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351 "2024-08-06T21:13:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 67
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/1321 "2024-08-26T16:33:40Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > They are generally described as affluent, socially liberal, and fiscally conservative. Described by whom? There is a long history of defining your political opponents so that you can attack the stereotype. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/1322 "2024-08-26T16:54:36Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > Why is it bunk? I provided a link to a Pew research study of the Democratic coalition that notes that major components of the coalition do not fit your stereotype of an “Acela Corridor” Democrat. I reject that stereotype as much as I’d reject characterizing the Republican party as a “working man” party. @Pleonast is right, this “Acela Corridor” nonsense it meant to reinforce a Republican generated stereotype that Democrats are chardonnay-sipping Northeastern elites who got their Feminist Studies degree from Brandeis and tut-tut at the plebes driving their gas-guzzling SUVs. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/1323 "2024-08-26T17:05:03Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > It’s going to be a fucking nailbiter, just like in 2020. Dems have to pull out all the stops to counter this cult. I think we would all do well to remember these 2020 numbers: > Arizona: 10,457 > Wisconsin: 20,682 > Georgia: 11,779 Correct. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/1324 "2024-08-26T17:14:59Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Hillary Clinton was supported by millions of people, but she wasn’t particularly liked by a whole swath of those voters. Among the entire population, she was weighed down by years and years of negative stories that gave her an aura of scandal and corruption. And her credentials were often discounted; I won’t argue rightfully or wrongfully but the perception was First Lady. Not a qualification for President. Secretary of State she got through nepo. Highly unqualified proved by her getting an ambassador killed in Benghazi. Carpetbagged to New Yoork to be a Senator. More nepo of an unqualified person. You can hate Biden and Harris, but there is no question about their qualifications to be President except the bizarre claim that she failed as VP. She cast the most tie-breaking votes in the Senate and none of them contraversial. As long as Biden is still alive, she has no other job to perform. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/1325 "2024-08-26T17:39:32Z")
I concur in part,but disagree that she got people killed in Benghazi. The nation simply wasn’t stable enough to have people in Benghazi and I doubt that the decision was made at cabinet level. My opinion is that the ambassador himself bore more responsibility and should have been more aware of the situation before leaving Tripoli. Sure, she would never have been elected Senator if she had any other name, but by all accounts she was a hardworking, capable Senator. She wasn’t as qualified as people make out, but certainly more qualified than a con man and future felon. Though it’s looking good for Harris now, there still are potential pitfalls. Stock market crash, war breaking out, massive government failure, whatever. Barring that, I don’t think she’ll tank in debating and as it stands now I fully expect her to win the Biden states + possibly TX, NC, FL, and OH… ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/1326 "2024-08-26T18:53:35Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I concur in part,but disagree that she got people killed in Benghazi. I didn’t say she did. I’m saying the perception is that she did. Either because she was seen as incompetent or perhaps more fairly as the ultimate executive in the State Department she is ultimately responsible for what happens just like CEOs are when their corporation messes up. > [@BobLibDem](#): > > The nation simply wasn’t stable enough to have people in Benghazi and I doubt that the decision was made at cabinet level. To my point above. If not, then why did Clinton let it happen? Was it without her knowledge? Was it a decision by underlings because she punted? Did she ever ask, “Why are we in Benghazi?” > [@BobLibDem](#): > > She wasn’t as qualified as people make out, but certainly more qualified than a con man and future felon. Apples and oranges. Dems (many on this board) were espousing how Clinton was the most qualified presidential candidate we had seen in eons. No one was talking about Trump electability re: government experience. > [@BobLibDem](#): > > Barring that, I don’t think she’ll tank in debating Given her training as a prosecutor, she will crush Trump in the debate ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/1327 "2024-08-26T19:04:32Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > It’s going to be a fucking nailbiter, just like in 2020. Dems have to pull out all the stops to counter this cult. I think we would all do well to remember these 2020 numbers: > Arizona: 10,457 > Wisconsin: 20,682 > Georgia: 11,779 Then it is on Dem voters in those states if Trump wins them. How can you not have 100% D-turnout in those states if the situation is as dire as they say they are. Hell, if I were a Democrat official in those states I’d rent a bunch of ubers for the day and tell Democratic voters to call their local precient office if they need a ride (assuming they are on the Democratic Party polls of course) ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/1328 "2024-08-26T19:12:08Z")
Thank you for your offer to contribute all you can to **REMOVED** ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/1329 "2024-08-26T19:15:53Z")
I’ll throw a few ducats to that. My big complaint is: shouldn’t counties be doing that to get voters out? Colorado went to vote-by-mail to address the issue of voters not being able to get to the polls. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/1330 "2024-08-26T19:26:44Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Colorado went to vote-by-mail to address the issue of voters not being able to get to the polls. How long ago was that? I don’t think the leaders back then that wanted as many votes as possible are the leaders today that are trying to repress voting…but I could be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/1331 "2024-08-26T19:31:27Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I don’t think the leaders back then that wanted as many votes as possible are the leaders today that are trying to repress voting I’m not sure what you’re saying here. Colorado is a royal blue state and our Secretary of State and every county clerk not named Tina Peters are committed to getting voters to vote and counting their votes accurately. If you are talking about other states then that’s their issue to deal with. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/1332 "2024-08-26T19:37:25Z")
My mistake. I thought that you wanted officials to do all they can, transportation included, to get people to vote, and they weren’t. I can see where officials might refuse to provide transportation for fear of being accused of favoring one type of voter over another, or left-wing neighborhoods over right-wing neighborhoods. There is no way to provide official transportation without that type of argument being brought. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/1333 "2024-08-26T19:37:46Z")
It’s true, however. Trump is in terrible shape. He has good days and bad days, but he’s practically quiet quitting his own campaign and regularly exhibits paraphasias and other “glitches” associated with dementia. You may also have noticed that he looks like shit. He’s not only clearly older and less healthy-looking than he used to be, he also just isn’t trying to make himself up and prep as before. Here’s a kos article: > **[‘This is a problem’: The Trump train is running out of steam](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/8/25/2265288/-This-is-a-problem-The-Trump-train-is-running-out-of-steam?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=top_news_slot_5&pm_medium=web)** > > Does Donald Trump seem … different lately? If you’ve been wondering why the former president has been acting especially bizarre since President Joe Biden ended his reelection bid, you aren’t ... So, with respect to your confidence that there will be no implosion, I would say it’s a matter of degree. He’s already much diminished compared to 2016 and 2020, and it’s definitely affecting his campaign. ---
**Author:** ![TeroSunbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terosunbear/32/14748_2.png) [@TeroSunbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeroSunbear)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/1334 "2024-08-26T19:41:46Z")
Trump at grave today. He gave the thumbs up again. 1 million votes lost right there. [Tom L. Wellborn (@tomwellborn3) on Threads](https://www.threads.net/@tomwellborn3/post/C_JH_DGp0MK/?xmt=AQGznsxLy71YubmSUbc0c45Sn87MjaanyZ1uBD7LY5iyuA) ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/1335 "2024-08-26T19:43:07Z")
But it’s a photo op!!! (smh) ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/1336 "2024-08-26T19:43:11Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I thought that you wanted officials to do all they can, transportation included, to get people to vote, and they weren’t. In other states, yes. But remember in all of hose Voter ID threads I was the one saying counties should be actively going out getting people ID that could be used for elections. Is there active voter suppression? Yes but in some cases it’s just the county being lazy. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > I can see where officials might refuse to provide transportation for fear of being accused of favoring one type of voter over another, or left-wing neighborhoods over right-wing neighborhoods. There is no way to provide official transportation without that type of argument being brought. Small rural counties could have busses that go to all neighborhoods and pick up anybody. But in 2024 some states have shown there are ways to deal with the problem. California (IIRC) was the first to address the issue by allowing anybody to use absentee ballots and that was decades ago. But my main point is that if I were a Dem in a close state, I would drag my broken leg behind me and crawl to my polling place to vote. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/1337 "2024-08-26T19:46:59Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > Trump is in terrible shape. He has good days and bad days, but he’s practically quiet quitting his own campaign and regularly exhibits paraphasias and other “glitches” associated with dementia. Back when Biden was running, I talked about how I despise him and wanted Kamala as President (that throwaway protest vote so many of you yelled at me about). A few people was telling me to vote for Biden, hope he dies soon and voila, President Harris. So I wonder if there will be Republican voters that don’t want Harris or Trump but will vote Trump/Vance and hope that sooner rather than later we get President Hillbilly. ---
**Author:** ![Gozu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gozu/32/6615_2.png) [@Gozu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gozu)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/1338 "2024-08-26T19:50:12Z")
> [@Trump will not debate Biden on June 27, 2024, or thereafter either](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/1): > > > [@Aeschines](#): > > > > He is crumbling at a very rapid pace. > > This is probably the 100th time you’ve posted this or something much like it over the past 3 or so months, in various threads. At what point does it strike you that it’s wishful thinking? > > Cites: > > > [@Trump will not debate Biden on June 27, 2024, or thereafter either](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/1): > > > > Trump is in severe cognitive decline > > > [@Trump won't be the Republican party nominee in 2024](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/276): > > > > Trump is _crumbling before our eyes._ And his deterioration seems to accelerate by the day. > > > [@Trump won't be the Republican party nominee in 2024](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-wont-be-the-republican-party-nominee-in-2024/996834/290): > > > > while Trump has always been outrageous and said stupid things, the IQ (idiocy quotient) and SC (senility quotient) of his ramblings have been rising rapidly. > > > [@Trump will not debate Biden on June 27, 2024, or thereafter either](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/1): > > > > Trump is in severe cognitive decline > > > [@Trump will not debate Biden on June 27, 2024, or thereafter either](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/10): > > > > Trump is a beat-up piece of shit at this point > > > [@Trump will not debate Biden on June 27, 2024, or thereafter either](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-will-not-debate-biden-on-june-27-2024-or-thereafter-either/1002493/78): > > > > Trump is coming apart. It’s not just that he will be “beaten” in a debate with Biden; his dementia will be on full display, since he will not be able to control the situation. > > I could go on quoting; there are many, many others. And while it’s fun to post clips of Trump spouting nonsense and claiming that he is senile, the reality is that there will be no spectacular implosion and no senile meltdown that tanks the race for Trump. It didn’t happen in June when you said it would, it didn’t happen in July when you said it would, it didn’t happen in August when you said it would. It’s pure wishful thinking empowered by breathless YouTubers and other terminally online people desperate for clicks. (It’s _understandable_ wishful thinking of course - nobody would be happier with a Trump implosion than me - but it’s not real). > > It’s going to be a fucking nailbiter, just like in 2020. Dems have to pull out all the stops to counter this cult. I think we would all do well to remember these 2020 numbers: > Arizona: 10,457 > Wisconsin: 20,682 > Georgia: 11,779 > > That’s how Trump wins: he flips 5500 votes in AZ, 10,500 votes in WI, and 6,000 votes in GA from last time. That’s it. There’s no magical savior coming, there’s not going to be an electoral wipeout or meltdown, it’s going to be a vote by vote grind. Time to “Do Something” as a wise person recently said. Amen and thank you! I tire of such self-indulgent clickbait verbiage. You can say Trump is crumbling when he has lost two or more of his limbs or has cratered by 30 points in the polls. Not before. Until then, he is a most formidable opponent and the greatest threat to the republic there has ever been. Somehow, thanks to the Electoral College, he was winning against an honest civil servant, despite his 34 felony convictions, despite aiding and abetting Jan 6, despite so very fucking many people in his own party, including his secretary of state, calling him a “fucking moron”, a traitor, a coward, a bully, someone who wipes his ass with the constitution and the flag. Despite his own Vice President not voting for him because he tried to get him hanged, despite not a single former Republican president endorsing him (!!!), despite 2 impeachments and the list goes on and on and on and on and on with red flag factory after red flag factory… Despite all that, it’s a nail-biter because \< insert horrible truth about the world here \> The only vibes lucid people should feel are the vibes of terror running down their spines as somehow Trump effectively has a 50% chance to win. On that not I’m off to donate some money so I can live with myself if Trump wins. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/1339 "2024-08-26T19:58:02Z")
> [@Gozu](#): > > You can say Trump is crumbling when he has lost two or more of his limbs or has cratered by 30 points in the polls. Not before. Until then, he is a most formidable opponent and the greatest threat to the republic there has ever been. I think it’s fine to assess the situation realistically so as to make realistic moves. Yep, we need to be vigilant and energized, but the downside of being overly pessimistic and fearful is that people can become demoralized. > [@](#): > > Despite all that, it’s a nail-biter because \< insert horrible truth about the world here \> Yeah, that’s basically it. The people are blame the most are the GOP pols who know better but support Trump out of their own self-interest. They are going to go down in history as a disgrace to the nation. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2024, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351/1340 "2024-08-26T19:58:25Z")
This is how the _National Review_ things Trump can win as reported in the irksome NYT. (I may have trouble taking parts of it seriously, but to dismiss Trump’s chances is to ignore reality.) [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/26/opinion/advice-for-trump-win.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/26/opinion/advice-for-trump-win.html) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351.md?page=66) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-donald-trump-win-at-this-point/1005351.md?page=68)