# How can I stay safe as a nonbinary person, now that Trump has won(?)? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [November 6, 2024, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person-now-that-trump-has-won/1009766 "2024-11-06T07:11:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person-now-that-trump-has-won/1009766/101 "2024-11-11T01:29:08Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > > [@BigT](#): > > > > Sure it is. Literally the first step is, since depriving trans folk of HRT means a lot of them will no longer be alive. ⁢ > > Things can be really bad without being genocide. Hell, not all [atrocities](https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/atrocities-matthew-white/1113025412) are genocide. [Raphael Lemkin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Lemkin), the man who coined the term genocide heretofore, “A crime without a name,” was wary of it becoming an insult to be thrown around as opposed to a specific word for a specific crime against humanity. This isn’t pedantry. > > Can I conceive of a shift to genocidal policy against the trans community? In America? Yes, I can. But that’s not what was under discussion in the thread you linked to (whatever the opinion of its author). > > Props for your work on Nov 6. I volunteered for the Dems from September to early November: no regrets. ⁢ The term for what is being described is literally transgender genocide: > **[Transgender genocide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_genocide)** > > Transgender genocide or trans genocide is a term used by some scholars and activists to describe an elevated level of systematic discrimination and violence against transgender people. > The term is related to the common meaning as well as the legal concept of genocide, which the Genocide Convention describes as an intentional effort to completely or partially destroy a group based on its nationality, ethnicity, race, or religion. Some legal scholars and transgender rights activists have argue... I pointed out exactly why it is genocide even in the first step, since the purpose of depriving trans people of their healthcare is to make them no longer exist. It is not merely oppression, as oppression is not about eliminating a group of people. This isn’t about it being bad. It’s about it being systemic attempt to eliminate an entire group of people. Trans people are people, and thus they count. And the author of what I linked is a trans woman and activist. She knows more than you about this topic. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person-now-that-trump-has-won/1009766/102 "2024-11-11T01:35:44Z")
Y’all remember, the OP is a kid. A young person. Don’t have a clue as to his support system. Be gentle. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person-now-that-trump-has-won/1009766/103 "2024-11-11T01:47:58Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Be gentle. Wish I had a Dollar for everytime I heard this. Oh, wait. I do! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person-now-that-trump-has-won/1009766/104 "2024-11-11T01:55:19Z")
Won’t be ever if people follow that advice. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person-now-that-trump-has-won/1009766/105 "2024-11-11T02:07:23Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Be gentle. Trying to. I disagree that ‘yes, you must hide for the rest of your life’ is gentle. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person-now-that-trump-has-won/1009766/106 "2024-11-11T03:14:10Z")
Oh I never said ‘forever’. I’m living day to day. I can’t look further than that right now. I’m optimistic enough to believe there’s a better day coming. This OP is young enough to maybe see it. They won’t see it if they’re dead or in a dungeon somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person-now-that-trump-has-won/1009766/107 "2024-11-11T03:56:26Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Wish I had a Dollar for everytime I heard this. > > Oh, wait. I do! You must be a wealthy man. Conservatives realize that they can’t actually ‘re-educate’ queer people to be straight; they just want to push them so far underground that they live closeted lives of silent desperation, so it doesn’t discomfort them and perhaps raise their own ‘unholy’ urges. They’re not intentionally mean (for the most part), just callous and lacking in compassion. MAGA fucksticks just want to hurt people, whomever they can, however they can, just as bullies and zealots have done from time immemorial. Today, it is immigrants, gay, and transgender people. Tomorrow it will be ‘uppity’ women. Then ‘intellectuals’, i.e. anyone who questions dogma. Which is a reason to push back on them even if you don’t fall into any of these categories because eventually they’ll come around to you, too, even if you are one of them. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/VgsOWQBHThE/maxresdefault.jpg "The Handmaids Tale Season 5 Episode 6 Nick Kills Commander Putnam") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgsOWQBHThE) Stranger ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person-now-that-trump-has-won/1009766/108 "2024-11-11T04:19:53Z")
That’s a very helpful map! It probably goes without saying, but in case it doesn’t, OP, be aware that when states are colored blue on the map, it means the majority of the _population_ is accepting. In many states, including Washington, where I live, and Illinois, where I grew up, there are still vast red areas. State laws cover the entire state, but in eastern Washington and almost all of Illinois below Chicagoland, you may be subject to aggression and prejudices despite the laws. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person-now-that-trump-has-won/1009766/109 "2024-11-11T05:05:26Z")
I might have missed it, but if you need hormones, you might want to start building a stockpile, and exploring alternative ways to get them. I believe you really need a prescription for testosterone, but it’s ~legal to get estrogen on the gray market. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person-now-that-trump-has-won/1009766/110 "2024-11-11T05:20:23Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Which is a reason to push back on them even if you don’t fall into any of these categories because eventually they’ll come around to you, too, even if you are one of them. Niemoller all over again. ---
**Author:** ![CorpusNeptune](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corpusneptune/32/17561_2.png) [@CorpusNeptune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CorpusNeptune)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person-now-that-trump-has-won/1009766/111 "2024-11-11T06:19:50Z")
Thank you for all the answers, everyone. Just to clear some things up, no, I don’t plan on obtaining any hormone medications. At most, I would get facial hair lasered off, but that’s about it, and that’s mainly because I just hate how it feels on my face. Too itchy, lol. But now, after all your messages, and showing that Wisconsin is MOST LIKELY going to be mostly fine…I’m not scared anymore. At least not for myself. What I am is PISSED OFF. Might make a Pit thread about it, cuz there are a LOT of words I would want to say there that would be too inflammatory to be put here. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person-now-that-trump-has-won/1009766/112 "2024-11-11T06:56:51Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The term for what is being described is literally transgender genocide: Your wiki article contains the caveat, “Others have critiqued the term “transgender genocide” as inappropriate for modern Western contexts, arguing that current levels of discrimination and violence fail to reach the legal definition of genocide.” Among those others are transgender rights activist Emily F. Gorcenski, who penned [this piece](https://web.archive.org/web/20230324122720/https://emilygorcenski.com/post/the-mythologies-of-genocide/), aspects of which go beyond my POV. > [@BigT](#): > > And the author of what I linked is a trans woman and activist. She knows more than you about this topic. I expressed myself poorly. I endorse your quoted twitter thread, but know nothing about the opinions of its author outside of that thread. I didn’t mean to dis them. I agree with them that the most vilified minorities are most vulnerable. I believe that transgender genocide is a substantial risk using Lemkin criteria, but we aren’t there yet. [Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear): Your warning is very much worth bearing in mind. I say oppression will vary from college to college and nothing beats local knowledge of the same. ---
**Author:** ![CorpusNeptune](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corpusneptune/32/17561_2.png) [@CorpusNeptune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CorpusNeptune)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person-now-that-trump-has-won/1009766/113 "2024-11-11T07:10:13Z")
Update: fuckin made it: [Pitting conservative Christians (followup to "How can I stay safe as a nonbinary person...")](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-conservative-christians-followup-to-how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person/1010071) Fair warning, it gets VERY angry and ranty, but I’m sure you all understand. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Knig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@Typo\_Knig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Knig)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person-now-that-trump-has-won/1009766/114 "2024-11-11T12:59:39Z")
IMNAAHO, there are not enough profanities on the entire Internet to accurately describe this situation. Enjoy your rant - you deserve it! More importantly, I’m glad we helped. This thread has helped me focus my response to current event. I need to be an ally. That is better than doomscrolling. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person-now-that-trump-has-won/1009766/115 "2024-11-11T14:53:39Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > In many states, including Washington, where I live, and Illinois, where I grew up, there are still vast red areas. This is also true in NY; but although I’m in a pretty red area, I think you’d be OK here. I don’t know whether that’s just easier to say from my point of view; but there’s at least one pretty lively and quite visible justice group that has not, as near as I can tell, been drawing significant trouble. > [@CorpusNeptune](#): > > I’m not scared anymore. > At least not for myself. > What I am is PISSED OFF. Glad to see that! Will go look at your other thread. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person-now-that-trump-has-won/1009766/116 "2024-11-11T16:49:16Z")
> [@CorpusNeptune](#): > > What I am is PISSED OFF. That seems a reasonable response. I’m equal parts pissed off and disappointed and I don’t even have a dog in the fight. I have a Christian friend who is extremely pissed off at Christian Nationalists ruining reputation of their faith for everyone else. I pointed that Christian Nationalists are long on the Nationalist and short on the Christian, rather like National Socialists were long on Nationalist and not very Socialist. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person-now-that-trump-has-won/1009766/117 "2024-11-11T16:55:27Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > I have a Christian friend who is extremely pissed off at Christian Nationalists ruining reputation of their faith for everyone else. That reminds me of how my mother told me she didn’t tell people she was Christian because she didn’t want them to be _afraid_ of her. And that was decades ago, they’ve been ruining Christianity’s reputation a long time. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person-now-that-trump-has-won/1009766/118 "2024-11-11T17:00:12Z")
I don’t know religion. Never was an issue when I grew up, in my family. But isn’t that personal thing between you and your god of choice? ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person-now-that-trump-has-won/1009766/119 "2024-11-11T17:08:28Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > isn’t that personal thing between you and your god of choice? Sure as hell ought to be. But people have been murdering each other over it for centuries. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person-now-that-trump-has-won/1009766/120 "2024-11-11T17:14:41Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > But isn’t that personal thing between you and your god of choice? Monotheism got as big as it did in the first place because it took the opposite viewpoint; that everyone in the world _must_ be converted to the one true faith no matter the cost. Some people may have decided otherwise later, but that’s just them deviating from the core purpose of the religion they follow. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person-now-that-trump-has-won/1009766.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-i-stay-safe-as-a-nonbinary-person-now-that-trump-has-won/1009766.md?page=7)