# How can people be so dumb and KNOWING they are dumb. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2014, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-people-be-so-dumb-and-knowing-they-are-dumb/706600 "2014-12-07T21:11:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-people-be-so-dumb-and-knowing-they-are-dumb/706600/21 "2014-12-08T00:52:49Z")
> [@kk\_fusion](#): > > … > > Let me get another beer and I’ll join in. > [@Knowledgable](#): > > … stay make a joint … I’m just starting to settle in and be interested in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-people-be-so-dumb-and-knowing-they-are-dumb/706600/22 "2014-12-08T02:08:28Z")
> [@njtt](#): > > How about pre-1948 borders? Are [these borders](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_(united_monarchy)#mediaviewer/File:Kingdom_of_Israel_1020_map.svg) sufficiently pre-1948? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-people-be-so-dumb-and-knowing-they-are-dumb/706600/23 "2014-12-08T02:09:25Z")
> [@Eliahna](#): > > This thread promised dumb, and it delivered. I’m kind of wondering just what the OP means to convey by “just making me laugh my ass off and rage” in the first line. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-people-be-so-dumb-and-knowing-they-are-dumb/706600/24 "2014-12-08T03:02:00Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > I’m kind of wondering just what the OP means to convey by “just making me laugh my ass off and rage” in the first line. Isn’t it clear? He just burned your dog. So goodbye to your Golden Retriever. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-people-be-so-dumb-and-knowing-they-are-dumb/706600/25 "2014-12-08T03:08:40Z")
Dumb people don’t know they’re dumb, as evidenced by the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-people-be-so-dumb-and-knowing-they-are-dumb/706600/26 "2014-12-08T03:17:59Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > Isn’t it clear? He just burned your dog. So goodbye to your Golden Retriever. Hey, my dog was burned a long time ago, so the joke’s on him. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-people-be-so-dumb-and-knowing-they-are-dumb/706600/27 "2014-12-08T04:17:14Z")
> [@Eliahna](#): > > This thread promised dumb, and it delivered. I normally see threads turn into reverse pittings but this is one of those cases where the OP is feeding itself with so much gusto that it is like watching a gourmet Ouroboros in action. ---
**Author:** ![Stealth\_Potato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Stealth\_Potato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stealth_Potato)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-people-be-so-dumb-and-knowing-they-are-dumb/706600/28 "2014-12-08T04:25:58Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I knew someone around here was at at least as old as me! Hey, I’m only 29 and the song started playing in my head immediately. My parents were hippies, the entire play is burned indelibly into my mind. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-people-be-so-dumb-and-knowing-they-are-dumb/706600/29 "2014-12-08T04:30:34Z")
Nice work with the setup **John Mace** , and **Colibri** with the pickup! ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-people-be-so-dumb-and-knowing-they-are-dumb/706600/30 "2014-12-08T04:31:35Z")
> [@Stealth\_Potato](#): > > Hey, I’m only 29 and the song started playing in my head immediately. My parents were hippies, the entire play is burned indelibly into my mind. 😃 You just watched it for the articles, right? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Flywheel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Flywheel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flywheel)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-people-be-so-dumb-and-knowing-they-are-dumb/706600/31 "2014-12-08T04:47:41Z")
> [@](#): > > Some dummy built this pencil wrong - > The eraser’s down here where the point belongs. > And the point’s at the top - so it’s no good to me, > It’s amazing how stupid some people can be. - Shel Silverstein ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-people-be-so-dumb-and-knowing-they-are-dumb/706600/32 "2014-12-08T04:52:29Z")
> [@Stealth\_Potato](#): > > Hey, I’m only 29 and the song started playing in my head immediately. My parents were hippies, the entire play is burned indelibly into my mind. 😃 Hippies now have _children_ who will soon be over 30… What has this world come to! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-people-be-so-dumb-and-knowing-they-are-dumb/706600/33 "2014-12-08T08:38:39Z")
This probably isn’t the place to seriously address the OP’s thesis (such as it is), but it was always my understanding that one of the effects (and intents) of the creation of the United Nations was to ever after delegitimize the concept of nations acquiring territory by conquest. To someone who accepts this as the current international reality, it alone serves as a rational justification for insisting upon a return to pre-1967 borders. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-people-be-so-dumb-and-knowing-they-are-dumb/706600/34 "2014-12-08T08:56:16Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > This probably isn’t the place to seriously address the OP’s thesis (such as it is), but it was always my understanding that one of the effects (and intents) of the creation of the United Nations was to ever after delegitimize the concept of nations acquiring territory by conquest. To someone who accepts > this as the current international reality, it alone serves as a rational justification for insisting upon a return to pre-1967 borders. I agree that rational debate in this thread is pointless, but even those who, as you claim, believe that the foundation of the UN has altered the basic terms of 5,000 years of human civilization, should admit that most of the 1967 “borders” are, in fact, not borders at all but Armistice Demarcation Lines; and in fact, the treaties that established these lines expressly noted that they were \*not \*international borders and should not be treated as such. ---
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-people-be-so-dumb-and-knowing-they-are-dumb/706600/35 "2014-12-08T09:10:32Z")
We starve, look at one another, short of breath Walking proudly in our winter coats Wearing smells from laboratories Facing a dying nation of moving paper fantasy Listening for the new told lies With supreme visions of lonely tunes ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-people-be-so-dumb-and-knowing-they-are-dumb/706600/36 "2014-12-08T13:50:10Z")
> [@Knowledgable](#): > > … so it’s easier to read and yet … ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-people-be-so-dumb-and-knowing-they-are-dumb/706600/37 "2014-12-08T15:30:14Z")
Okay, I’m on my 3rd shot of tequila and it’s still not making any sense. How many more do I hafta have? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-people-be-so-dumb-and-knowing-they-are-dumb/706600/38 "2014-12-08T15:42:27Z")
> [@hotflungwok](#): > > Okay, I’m on my 3rd shot of tequila and it’s still not making any sense. How many more do I hafta have? TO mor ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-people-be-so-dumb-and-knowing-they-are-dumb/706600/39 "2014-12-08T15:49:51Z")
> [@njtt](#): > > How about pre-1948 borders? Or maybe pre-1918 borders. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2014, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-people-be-so-dumb-and-knowing-they-are-dumb/706600/40 "2014-12-08T15:53:06Z")
> [@hotflungwok](#): > > Okay, I’m on my 3rd shot of tequila and it’s still not making any sense. How many more do I hafta have? Depends. Three shots should be enough to get for the glibby-glop-gloopy and I-burning-your-dog parts, but for the OP you may need to chug the whole bottle. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-people-be-so-dumb-and-knowing-they-are-dumb/706600.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-people-be-so-dumb-and-knowing-they-are-dumb/706600.md?page=3)