How can the SDMB fight ignorance with Ad hominems

Alright I concede to Maeglin and Go Bear about the Ms. forum.

As far as the arguments are concerned, I am NOT advocating not ripping them to shreds. If they say all black people should be locked up in cages, and you think you need to reply, reply with why black people should not be locked up in cages rather than speaking about how any thinking human would obviously disagree with them, even if it is within this realm of the ridiculous, that is what I mean by lending credibility. They posted to have a discussion, so give them that, and if you so choose to call them an idiot along the way, that’s all good, sometimes I choose to as well. <shrugs>

Anyway, I think this thread has kind of exhausted it’s value for me. While it didn’t get too out of hand it did remind me of why I never post in the pit.

Erek

Hey, just 'cause you’re losing the Blade Runner discussion, don’t be dissing my sarcasm abilities.

Since this is the Pit, though, I’ll just follow through with: shut the fuck up, you fucking fucked-up fucker.

Yes, I know, that was gratuitous and occasionally I sacrifice debate points for the sake of a sharp jab, but I still succeed in amusing myself, which is pretty much my main goal. Edifying others is a distant second.

And a good thing, too. What with you being one a them Kabekkers and all.

By gosh, losing? Don’t assume that because I didn’t respond to your silly mocking you won the discussion. There’s a forest of my arguments still standing that says otherwise!

That probably explains the abrasion level in some of your posts.

Collounsbury not that I am one to be known to suck up to anyone and in the short time I have been hanging in these environs I might have been noted to throw around a few ad hominems myself, all that being as it may I must say this for the record; given that I feel that you’re being given a rather undeserved run here… well it’s also pretty entertaining seeing you get a little good flogging, but then again schadenfreude is the only proper joy.

Just know that IMO you’re rip roaring fucking hilarious old chap! Don’t let them know-nothing, lowlife, scum sucking, landlocked, herbivore, soft-shelled, feel-goody, communality driven dork-heads compare you to Cecil. He’d be a wet noodle in your league. OK granted you’re an elephant in glass shop in his…but still.

For instance; rarely have I laughed as heartily as when reading your rebuke of the blabbering fools in the ICC thread started by our mutual friend the sand jockey and euro trash basher. Your apotheosis was reached when MEB stepped in and curtailed your expletives, whereupon your acerbic attacks were interspersed with apologies for the same. You both got your point across and you entertained. Granted you did almost, nearly, very close to go too far there. But shit did I laugh and I know others in your fan base that did as well.

But I have to add that sometimes your opinions are utter fucking rot as someone would put it.

No really, I just wanted to say that so you don’t get too soft on us here.

Ad hominem is an integral part of the art of rhetoric and as long as it doesn’t pass into personal attacks, downright insults or slanderous libel, it must be and should be part of a proper debate.

All that being said I have seen that the less verbose and daring shrink from debate at times and I quite quickly grew worried about one thing when starting to post here. In my first weeks I rather actively took part in the quite scathing pitting of two gents of lesser repute; out of which one was subsequently banned and one has since at his own degree been absent, and I came to worry about the greater cause. Who on earth are the ones that are going to be cured of ignorance when all the ignoramuses and horseradish brains have been scared away by our rebukes and/or banned to the far less enlightened alternatives at MSN?

In other words; I do not agree that ad hominems are counter productive in debate and I think that to curtail them would lessen the rhetoric freedom we need in argument. One should however note that sometimes the use of multi-syllable verbiage, expletive, inflective and injective; adjacent to some close to stellar subject matters might be counterproductive towards the didactic cause celebre the SDMB is sworn to.

Sparc

Oh and before I go…
Sgt. J didn’t you get the course literature? It contains a link to Merriam Webster… use it and don’t whine so much!

Good cop - Bad Cop.

I’d rather be the above then such an obvious ass-kisser. I mean, ass-kissing has it’s place, but . . . subtlety, lad, subtlety.

He’s European.

I’m not of course saying that’s good or bad.

Ah but you see dear Jodi you seem to fail to see my point. Some of us, and quite frankly although not mentioned I did feel a pang of guilt, are herein being accused of specifically not being so goddamned subtle in debate as some others feel would be required.

So true to my nature of not being so subtle I would have to fail in subtlety also when agreeing or giving a compliment.

Now why on earth I would ass kiss Collounsbury is somewhat enigmatic to me. You mistake agreement, subtle rhetoric and compliment for ass kissing.

Or should I be blunt? Does the term preemptive self-defense say something to you?

Ass kissing?

You can kiss my ass!

Sparc

What utter, cheap, fucking, rotten, poor, argument is that if I may pray ask?

Take an understandable fucking stand at least, or have you morphed into december?

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You mistake agreement, subtle rhetoric and compliment for ass kissing. [/qupte]

(A) I’m not mad about this, and I hope you’re not either. Just thought I’d clear that up, since tone is obviously lost in written communication.;

(B) “Subtle rhetoric”? Subtle? Come on, man. To grovel more completely you’d have to dig an actual hole in the ground.

(C) I’ll kiss your ass when it’s saute’ed in olive oil and garlic and served for my dinner with a nice chardonnay. (Assuming your ass is white meat. If it’s red meat, a nice merlot.)

Oh, and welcome to the Board. :slight_smile:

Now now, I was just making an observation.

SPARC – I venture to guess C’BURY may be yanking your chain, though I’ll be the first to admit that with him it’s sometimes hard to tell. But I know I am. :slight_smile:

Hell boys and girls… you took my two last posts seriously?

Give in will ya. Idid feel that Collounsbury deserved praise were other offered critique and just as when I give rebuke I give compliments straight and flowery.

I haven’t had to knock him over yet, but I haven’t and I don’t see any reason to grovel either. I’m sure Collounsbury doesn’t mind either way.

Thanks for being CLEAR though, since I’m a bit European you know… I might not have gotten the SUBTLETY. :wink:

Well, we could kiss and make up, but this is the Pit so – sod off.

Well, well. I really can’t take credit for either the unimaginative directness of Middle America or the misplaced decadent subteties of Europe, so I am afraid I shall simplely sod off.

[celestina sneaks up behind Collounsbury as he “sods off” and smacks him on his virtual bottom with her virtual paddle.]

[innocent eyes] Gee, I wonder is virtually spanking someone considered to be an ad hominem attack? [/innocent eyes]

Tamerlane, please don’t get all upset at folks. I find you immensely entertaining and always enjoy reading your posts and stuff. I think you’re dark and dangerous, and I most certainly would not want to get on your bad side, hon. :slight_smile: Congrats, also on your upcoming thousandth post, Sugar.

celestina - Okay, you and you alone, get a piece of cake :).

Hey, somebody has to be the good cop. Collounsbury shakes them up, I offer coffee and a sympathetic ear - Pretty soon, voila! We know where the body is buried :p.

  • Tamerlane

{{{Tamerlane}}}, awww, Sweetie, thank you the piece of cake.

[gloating]
I got some cake. I got some cake. Neener, neener. :p:p:p;p:p:p:p:p:p;p:p:p:p:p:p:p:D:p:p:p:p:p:)

Actually, Ohio became a state in 1803.

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It’s not nitpicking…it’s just telling ignorance, “You can run, but you can’t hide.”