How can Trump get around the 14th Amendment?

Sec. 2. Policy. (a) It is the policy of the United States that no department or agency of the United States government shall issue documents recognizing United States citizenship, or accept documents issued by State, local, or other governments or authorities purporting to recognize United States citizenship, to persons: (1) when that person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when that person’s mother’s presence in the United States was lawful but temporary, and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth.

Any person who can’t prove his parents citizenship is at risk of having their citizenship denied by any State, local etc authority.

Which obviously cannot apply when nobody knows who the parents are.

None of this is going to survive the courts.

Y’know what we need here? A real American Immigration and Naturalization lawyer.

'cause it seems we have people looking at the same text and getting locked in on that it can only mean the worst possible thing they can imagine, or that it’s word salad that means nothing.

It will be quite obvious who’s applications are going to get scrutinized and who’s aren’t. Come on man. The whole point is that no one can prove it, but only some will need to.

  1. That law does not define “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States”. It just repeats it. So Alito could argue that Congress still has not implemented that clause of the 14th amendment.
  2. Trump said he would be a dictator on day one. He has 148 minutes to go.

Which will make it all the easier to prove in court that this is unconstitutional.

Look I get it. You don’t think there’s anything to worry about. Other people don’t have the luxury to do that.

Which court are you possibly talking about?

There are others:

  • Freedom of association (Charter, s. 2(d); has been held to be implicit in the 1st Amendment, but it’s not express)
  • Right of citizens to vote in federal and provincial elections (Charter, s. 3; US Constitution prohibits certain restrictions on the right to vote, but doesn’t guarantee the right to vote to all Americans, such as convicted felons)
  • Right to security of the person (Charter, s. 7; was the basis for the SCC’s decision striking down federal abortion law)
  • Express prohibition on discrimination based on sex (Charter, s. 15; may be what the Equal Rights Amendment would have done)
  • Express guarantee of gender equality (Charter, s 28; again, may be what the ERA would have done).

When you get into the weeds of the guarantees in relation to criminal process, there are also express provisions that in the US are held to be implicit in the due process guarantee), but I won’t go into that much detail.

Which the Supreme Court has conveniently already addressed;

TLDR: “Subject to the jurisdiction of” means that by dint of being born in this country, one holds allegiance to the state and is protected by its laws, because that’s what it meant under English Common Law.

All of them.

You quoted the “or the children of alien enemies” exception.

Which clearly does not apply here, because undocumented immigrants are not “alien enemies”, nor is any part of the US currently under “hostile occupation” as Lord Chief Justice Cockburn put it.

At least I seem to have been right about one thing in the lead-up, that this was going to have to be something applied going forward to those born after the order.

The rights-protection based defense here, on the Administration side, will be that this exception to the “subject to jurisdiction” concept “it does, too”, exist in the US notwithstanding the Common Law. They are not going to argue in the Court that they are children of a hostile invading force or diplomats or any such. They’ll leave that to the guests at Fox & Friends. Just that their interpretation is what’s really originalist by the standards of the Thomito Court.

And I continue to think that some, maybe many, states will fight this as an unfunded mandate to start recording parental citizenship/residency status within the next 30 days, when there’s probably not even a blank for that in the form they are now using.

I have my original birth certificates in my physical possession - both the one issued by the hospital and the one issued by the state of California. Neither of them list the citizenship status of my parents. If hospitals are going to be expected to start collecting that information, that’s going to be a violation of medical privacy rights, and if states are going to, then that is indeed an unfunded mandate that many states are probably going to not bother with unless they’re somehow forced into it.

It intends to accomplish precisely what it means to; ending birthright citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants. Might not do it until later this year, but the Trumpists will say better late than never.

Love and the maternal instinct?

You’re gleefully parading this as some sort of fatal gotcha, but the number of undocumented immigrants who are going to come all the way to the US just to abandon their babies has got to be vanishingly small. And I can guarantee that Trump and the MAGA crowd don’t care about the few cases that might arise. They’re concerned about so-called anchor babies—the notion that temporary or undocumented immigrants connive to give birth in the US so that they can’t be deported. That trick doesn’t work if you disown your baby. So as far as MAGA is concerned, ending birthright citizenship solves the anchor baby problem.

Which medical privacy right specifically?

I’m pointing out ways in which the order as written doesn’t work.

The Supreme Court has never had a problem reversing itself, whether liberal (Brown v. Board of Education) or conservative (Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health) when it feels the need.

That would be me. I’ve made my comments in this thread and have nothing further to add at this time.

Standard disclaimer: Nothing I have said in this thread should be considered legal advice, and I am not your lawyer.

What I have copied below is what I said 1.5 months ago, and it seems to be the path Herr Trump has taken. Whether it holds up in the courts or not… that’s so far beyond the law as to be anyone’s guess. Get enough judges on your side and you can just make shit up as you go along, you know?