# How can Trump get away with defaming Carroll as a liar today {2023-05-11}? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [May 11, 2023, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-get-away-with-defaming-carroll-as-a-liar-today-2023-05-11/983888 "2023-05-11T12:39:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2023, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-get-away-with-defaming-carroll-as-a-liar-today-2023-05-11/983888/61 "2023-05-12T21:58:01Z")
I’m amazed that he can fit through a revolving door. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2023, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-get-away-with-defaming-carroll-as-a-liar-today-2023-05-11/983888/62 "2023-05-22T22:01:06Z")
Update - [https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/22/politics/e-jean-carroll-damages-trump-cnn-town-hall/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/22/politics/e-jean-carroll-damages-trump-cnn-town-hall/index.html) > Carroll’s attorneys said Trump’s defamatory statements repeated during the town hall earlier this month go directly to the issue of punitive damages, which are intended to punish the person found liable. Updating both threads, as it is an amendment request to the prior case, but may well be a new case if the request is denied. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2023, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-get-away-with-defaming-carroll-as-a-liar-today-2023-05-11/983888/63 "2023-05-23T03:13:15Z")
I don’t understand how that could possibly work as an amendment to the case where damages have already been determined. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2023, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-get-away-with-defaming-carroll-as-a-liar-today-2023-05-11/983888/64 "2023-05-23T03:24:20Z")
> [@eschrodinger](#): > > I don’t understand how that could possibly work as an amendment to the case where damages have already been determined. ⁢ I’m under the impression that damages have not been determined in the first case, only the second. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2023, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-get-away-with-defaming-carroll-as-a-liar-today-2023-05-11/983888/65 "2023-05-23T03:43:08Z")
Ah, right. This is some convoluted stuff. ---
**Author:** ![slicedalone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slicedalone/32/12515_2.png) [@slicedalone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slicedalone)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2023, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-get-away-with-defaming-carroll-as-a-liar-today-2023-05-11/983888/66 "2023-05-23T10:04:01Z")
> [@eschrodinger](#): > > This is some convoluted stuff. Actually, not really. She sued him for saying stuff in 2019 when he was President, so it got tangled up in the courts because suing the POTUS is a no-no, but then he said similar stuff when he was no longer POTUS so she sued him for that and she won. So now that the first case has finally surfaced, on account of he’s no longer POTUS, she’s looking to add the new evidence that happened after the verdict of him saying stuff again to the case. If that’s not allowed, then she’ll have to start a third case to deal with that newer evidence. Simple version is he keeps saying stuff, faster than she can include it in her court filings. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2023, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-get-away-with-defaming-carroll-as-a-liar-today-2023-05-11/983888/67 "2023-05-23T13:39:59Z")
> [@slicedalone](#): > > She sued him for saying stuff in 2019 when he was President, so it got tangled up in the courts because suing the POTUS is a no-no, but then he said similar stuff when he was no longer POTUS so she sued him for that and she won. (My bold) In the most pedantic tradition of the Dope… It’s actually ok to sue the president (the Bill Clinton/Paula Jones case established that precedent). But, the president has immunity for being sued for things he said while _acting_ as president. So, that was the issue being debated - could he be sued for defamation if he said something potentially defamatory during the scope of his job as Chief Executive. This ended up on appeal, and while that was being litigated, he repeated the slander after having left office, leading to the second lawsuit (which just ended with a verdict adverse to donald). > [@slicedalone](#): > > So now that the first case has finally surfaced, on account of he’s no longer POTUS, she’s looking to add the new evidence that happened after the verdict of him saying stuff again to the case. The reason the second case surfaced isn’t because he’s no longer president, but because the appellate court finally made its ruling: whether donald’s comments were made within the scope of his job as president (and therefore not the basis for a claim of defamation) is a factual question to be decided by the jury. So, the first case is now back in the trial court, awaiting either a settlement by the parties or another jury trial. If it goes to trial, the jury will be asked to decide, in addition to whether donald slandered Ms. Carroll, whether the statements were made as part of the job of president. ---
**Author:** ![slicedalone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slicedalone/32/12515_2.png) [@slicedalone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slicedalone)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2023, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-get-away-with-defaming-carroll-as-a-liar-today-2023-05-11/983888/68 "2023-05-23T14:09:42Z")
You mean “no-no” isn’t a legal term? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2023, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-get-away-with-defaming-carroll-as-a-liar-today-2023-05-11/983888/69 "2023-05-23T16:22:51Z")
in this case the no-no was a yes-yes. the no-no at this time is criminally charging a sitting president. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2023, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-get-away-with-defaming-carroll-as-a-liar-today-2023-05-11/983888/70 "2023-05-23T19:09:10Z")
It can’t be, because Latin didn’t have a distinct “no” in the language. So we may be looking at a third trial here soon. I’d ask if Trump would ever learn his lesson but that’s clearly rhetorical at this point, ---
**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2023, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-get-away-with-defaming-carroll-as-a-liar-today-2023-05-11/983888/71 "2023-05-31T15:04:33Z")
I wonder if eventually they might not be able to get a jury pool together for all his criminal activity. He sure is all over the news, daily! “Yes, I swear to faithfully carry out my duties as a juror, with no bias whatsoever, Your Honor!” ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2023, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-get-away-with-defaming-carroll-as-a-liar-today-2023-05-11/983888/72 "2023-06-02T22:13:33Z")
It’s funny how things work out (not in a HA HA way but a NO SHIT way). Hearing about all the criminal activity tends to bias your opinion. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2023, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-get-away-with-defaming-carroll-as-a-liar-today-2023-05-11/983888/73 "2023-06-03T22:56:26Z")
> [@Rebo](#): > > I wonder if eventually they might not be able to get a jury pool together for all his criminal activity. He sure is all over the news, daily! > > “Yes, I swear to faithfully carry out my duties as a juror, with no bias whatsoever, Your Honor!” As I recall, one of the jurors in the Carroll case was a MAGA type. Didn’t stop him from doing his duty. Certainly the common folk take their oaths as jurors more seriously than Republican Senators did in the last two impeachment trials. McConnell said something to his caucus like “This isn’t about T - - - p, it’s about our Senate majority”. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-get-away-with-defaming-carroll-as-a-liar-today-2023-05-11/983888/74 "2023-06-16T12:37:58Z")
> **[Second E. Jean Carroll defamation trial against Trump set for January](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/e-jean-carrolls-defamation-trial-trump-set-jan-2024-rcna89615)** > > Carroll is seeking new damages of at least $10 million, based in part on comments Trump made at a CNN town hall last month. > U.S. District Judge Lewis A. Kaplan said the civil trial will commence on Jan. 15. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-get-away-with-defaming-carroll-as-a-liar-today-2023-05-11/983888/75 "2023-06-16T12:44:38Z")
I wonder if Trump will offer any defense this time. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-get-away-with-defaming-carroll-as-a-liar-today-2023-05-11/983888/76 "2023-06-16T16:12:08Z")
_“Le twit, c’est moi?”_ ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-get-away-with-defaming-carroll-as-a-liar-today-2023-05-11/983888/77 "2023-06-16T16:35:43Z")
[**Le freak, c’est chic**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXgSHL7efKg) ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-get-away-with-defaming-carroll-as-a-liar-today-2023-05-11/983888/78 "2023-06-16T17:04:10Z")
Good! ---
**Author:** ![medstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@medstar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/medstar)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-get-away-with-defaming-carroll-as-a-liar-today-2023-05-11/983888/79 "2023-06-17T13:21:39Z")
Has E. Jean Carroll collected on the first $5,000,000.00 she was awarded? ---
**Author:** ![slicedalone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slicedalone/32/12515_2.png) [@slicedalone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slicedalone)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-get-away-with-defaming-carroll-as-a-liar-today-2023-05-11/983888/80 "2023-06-17T13:25:12Z")
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