# How can trump lower gas prices? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 28, 2025, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-lower-gas-prices/1013528 "2025-01-28T13:15:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-lower-gas-prices/1013528/41 "2025-01-29T14:49:43Z")
> [@bump](#): > > I mean, if the pipelines let Canadian oil get to the refineries and ports in Texas {…} Apropos of that … It’s worth reminding ourselves: Trump, in 2017, authorized the sale of North America’s largest oil refinery (Port Arthur) and 24 distribution terminals to Saudi Arabia’s oil company, ARAMCO. This was an effort to bolster ARAMCO’s impending Initial Public Offering. > **[Saudi Arabia Now Controls the Largest Oil Refinery in North America](https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/03/saudi-arabia-now-controls-the-largest-oil-refinery-in-north-america-energy-middle-east-aramco/)** > > The move is a huge boon to Aramco before a big IPO, experts say. > **[The Saudi Aramco IPO breaks records, but falls short of expectations](https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-saudi-aramco-ipo-breaks-records-but-falls-short-of-expectations/)** > > On December 11, 2019, shares amounting to 1.5% of Aramco’s value began trading only on the Tadawul, Saudi Arabia’s stock exchange. The events of recent years tell an interesting story of changing global oil markets and dashed ambitions. I don’t think _cheap_ gas is in Trump’s pecuniary interest. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-lower-gas-prices/1013528/42 "2025-01-29T14:58:53Z")
So over on the RWNJ sites they’re saying egg prices are high because Biden ordered the destruction of 100 million chickens, but now Trump has put a stop to that, but it takes time to grow new chickens. So yeah, there’s always a way. The real kicker is that if oil prices DO come down, it’s likely to reduce the US domestic drilling (and jobs) since shale oil is more expensive to produce. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-lower-gas-prices/1013528/43 "2025-01-29T15:11:39Z")
That’s the real elephant in the room; it doesn’t really matter what happens, he’ll blame it on something else, and there are a whole lot of people who will believe it, because it fits their comfortable internal narrative and worldview. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-lower-gas-prices/1013528/44 "2025-01-29T15:47:45Z")
> [@bump](#): > > So a win-win for everyone involved. Trump hates that. And that’s not even a joke, it’s an honest assessment of reality. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-lower-gas-prices/1013528/45 "2025-01-29T16:03:03Z")
I used to be part of a union negotiating team. Win-win was all the rage then. The truth is that the idea behind win-win is good. That if both parties are flexible and foresightful rather than simply knee-jerk recalcitrant, the post-deal results are better for both. But … IMO/IME, that is just the first phase of any real negotiation. Win-win has worked and value has indeed been created from thin air. Now we start the second phase: the zero-sum game of deciding who gets to keep what fraction of that freshly created value. The ideal is to get the other side so invested in keeping whatever shiny new cookie they just got that they will pay you 150% of what it’s worth in some other form of value in order to keep it. You may not get all of that, but if you can keep value equal to 90% of the newly created value and leaving them with just 10% of the new value you’ve scored a real nice coup. Even better if you figure you can cheat them out of the 10% later due to loopholes or tactics they’ve not yet noticed that you have. That cynical “win-win seques directly to heads-I-win-tails-you-lose” is pretty much the classic trumply way. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-lower-gas-prices/1013528/46 "2025-01-29T16:25:40Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > He will then tell the MAGAts his bullying has led directly to drastically lowered gas prices. All the propaganda outlets will tell everyone he’s lowered gas prices. And no doubt they will have “[official](https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/the-real-threat-of-fake-numbers)” numbers from the commerce department to back them up. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-lower-gas-prices/1013528/47 "2025-01-29T21:25:08Z")
> [@bump](#): > > versus that of chicken meat, which comes from chickens from six to 1.5 years old, with most of them on the younger side of that at 18 weeks or thereabouts. Not much a President can realistically do to change that. not that it is central to the topic, but hey we are at SDMB: FWIW: chicken meat comes from chickens that are +/-28 (calendar) days old - let’s call it a month. (the industry runs the artificial-light day/night cycle in 8 yours, so technically they squeeze 1.5 biological-days into one calendar day - just to speed up growth) Why in hell would Tyson et al feed a hen for 6 months or 18 months to get the same amount of meat than from a hen, fed one month? Laying hens might be slightly different, but similar patterns apply. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-lower-gas-prices/1013528/48 "2025-01-29T22:29:45Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > (the industry runs the artificial-light day/night cycle in 8 yours, so technically they squeeze 1.5 biological-days into one calendar day - just to speed up growth) I suppose you meant 8 hours fake “daylight” and 8 hours darkness for a 16 hour fake “day”. Which is 2/3rds of a real day, or viewed in reciprocal, 1.5 fake “days” per real. I find the idea that that speeds up the chickens to be rather amazing. Not that I’m disputing your info. Makes me wonder what we could do with humans in the same vein. And if the answer is “nothing”, why is that? Avian versus mammal or what? ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-lower-gas-prices/1013528/49 "2025-01-29T22:54:03Z")
Varying the dark/light cycle is how you can force marywana plants to bloom. It does seem odd that it would work with animals. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2025, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-lower-gas-prices/1013528/50 "2025-01-29T23:17:47Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I find the idea that that speeds up the chickens to be rather amazing. Not that I’m disputing your info. > > Makes me wonder what we could do with humans in the same vein. All we need is a pair of identical twin babies, and boxes that are identical but for their light cycles to raise them in. For science. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-lower-gas-prices/1013528/51 "2025-01-30T01:03:47Z")
> [@bump](#): > > That’s the real elephant in the room; it doesn’t really matter what happens, he’ll blame it on something else, and there are a whole lot of people who will believe it, because it fits their comfortable internal narrative and worldview. well 2 facts: - it’s the people who elected him AND - he knows they are stupid (b/c of point 1) * * * Did he get blamed for the 1.100.000 covid deaths? … no, he got re-elected ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-lower-gas-prices/1013528/52 "2025-01-30T01:25:22Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I suppose you meant 8 hours fake “daylight” and 8 hours darkness for a 16 hour fake “day”. Which is 2/3rds of a real day, or viewed in reciprocal, 1.5 fake “days” per real. > > I find the idea that that speeds up the chickens to be rather amazing. Not that I’m disputing your info. > > Makes me wonder what we could do with humans in the same vein. And if the answer is “nothing”, why is that? Avian versus mammal or what? yep, you “read” that right … they squeeze/simulate a 24 hour day into 16 hours by means of artificial lighting… it has to do with natural cycles and the impact on natural growth hormones, etc… In a past life I worked adjacent to industrial meat-production - any my pragmatic answer is: if it didn’t work they wouldn’t do it this way. here some (generic) visualization of the state of the industry. 3 pounder chicken in 28 days in 2005 - we might be closer to 4# in 2025. Some of those can barely stand, b/c they are all chicken-breasts [https://i.postimg.cc/Y05y0zjM/image.png](https://i.postimg.cc/Y05y0zjM/image.png) IIRC (i’m on thin ice here) … it works with chicken as they have the whole day-night-cycle pretty much hardwired into their very basic brains (e.g. rooster crowing at dusk, eggs being laid in the morning, chicken coming home on their own at dawn, etc…) add on: lighting is just one tool in a rather big toolbox here. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-lower-gas-prices/1013528/53 "2025-01-30T02:09:14Z")
Even our trumper coworker was annoyed by it because it was such a pita to get the glue off the pumps. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-lower-gas-prices/1013528/54 "2025-01-30T14:04:31Z")
Let’s not nitpick it too much; I googled “How old are meat chickens?” or something like that, and got a range of ages, depending on whether it’s a broiler, fryer, capon, etc… At any rate, it doesn’t change the fact that meat chickens have a _far_ faster cycle than laying hens do, and that’s why the bird flu isn’t hitting chicken meat prices nearly as hard as egg prices. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-lower-gas-prices/1013528/55 "2025-01-30T15:08:18Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > All we need is a pair of identical twin babies, and boxes that are identical but for their light cycles to raise them in. For science. I’ve always said, the most interesting scientific experiments are all immoral, and usually illegal. Take for example, the current experiment we’re running on “Can Trump lower gas prices?” I’m sure the results will be fascinating, but like raising Box Babies, the side effects are pretty severe. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-lower-gas-prices/1013528/56 "2025-01-30T15:14:53Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > > [@bob\_2](#): > > > > President Donald Trump has said he will ask Saudi Arabia and other Opec nations to “bring down the cost of oil” and doubled-down on his threat to use tariffs. > > Given that oil pretty much the only thing Saudi Arabia sells us and so the only thing he can put a tarriff on he is effectively saying > > “Reduce the price of the oil you sell us or I will raise the price of the oil you sell us.” Oh, so _that’s_ why he was so keen on getting Linda McMahon onto his cabinet. “You want to host WWE Crown Jewel again how badly?” Yes, I am aware WWE is owned by TKO now, but Linda’s son-in-law Paul Levesque (aka “Triple H”) is still the WWE Chief Content Officer at TKO. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-lower-gas-prices/1013528/57 "2025-01-30T15:49:34Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > All we need is a pair of identical twin babies, and boxes that are identical but for their light cycles to raise them in. For science. The is the most horrible disgusting, evil and unethical experiment I can imagine. So just the sort of thing Trumps NIH is looking for. I recommend submitting for a grant as soon as the ~~purge~~ reform of the agency is complete. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-lower-gas-prices/1013528/58 "2025-01-30T20:04:43Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > I’ve always said, the most interesting scientific experiments are all immoral, and usually illegal. Yes. Nobody sane is seriously advocating for such abominations. But it _would_ be interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-lower-gas-prices/1013528/59 "2025-01-30T21:55:24Z")
Trump doesn’t have to lower gas prices. He will simply announce they are lower and the sheepie will believe him. ---
**Author:** ![Kropotkin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kropotkin/32/18045_2.png) [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2025, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-lower-gas-prices/1013528/60 "2025-01-30T22:02:15Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > We went shopping on Sunday and there were no eggs. At any price Cue “Back In The USSR.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-lower-gas-prices/1013528.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-trump-lower-gas-prices/1013528.md?page=4)