# How can we save ourselves from the coming onslaught of Christian concentration camps? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 30, 2005, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673 "2005-12-30T02:24:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/21 "2005-12-30T05:12:27Z")
To answer the OP’s title question, the answer is of course to flee to Canada ahead of the new laws becoming official. Now from Canada, if we are afraid of the new theocracy expanding north, I would jump to Scotland or Oz. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Good\_Egg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/96bed5/32.png) [@Good\_Egg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Good_Egg)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/22 "2005-12-30T05:49:57Z")
I would like to know where this public support for death penalty for adulterers is. Never heard of it. In fact, I hear the christians screaming they will be put in the camps. One could never have a christian totalitarian country here, they’d all be infighting each other to see who was “more christian.” Not gonna happen. Der is safe. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/23 "2005-12-30T05:58:25Z")
> [@jrfranchi](#): > > To answer the OP’s title question, the answer is of course to flee to Canada ahead of the new laws becoming official. Now from Canada, if we are afraid of the new theocracy expanding north, I would jump to Scotland or Oz. > > Jim IIRC, the most direct path to Oz begins in Kansas, right smack in the middle of Jesusland. Plus, meterological conditions apparently need to be _just_ right (certain features of architecture may also be necessary). Canada seems to be a safer bet. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/24 "2005-12-30T06:02:39Z")
> [@newcrasher](#): > > If Der Trihs’s experience with Christians had been one of them loving him unconditionally, do you think he would feel the way he does? The fact that he is threatened by Christians speaks ill of us, not him. At the most it speaks ill of those Christians who were threatening him. I don’t see that it speaks ill of you or the OP. Besides, isn’t that sort of a really nasty mentality you have there. “Oh, somebody doesn’t like the group I belong to. We must be doing something wrong.” Some people are just bigots against certain groups. ---
**Author:** ![newcrasher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b3f665/32.png) [@newcrasher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcrasher)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/25 "2005-12-30T06:27:32Z")
> [@Captain Amazing](#): > > At the most it speaks ill of those Christians who were threatening him. I don’t see that it speaks ill of you or the OP. Besides, isn’t that sort of a really nasty mentality you have there. “Oh, somebody doesn’t like the group I belong to. We must be doing something wrong.” Some people are just bigots against certain groups. To be sure, there will always be _someone_ who will not like you just for spite. But if we as Christians lived up to Christ’s expectations as far as treating people, it would be pretty hard to find fault with us at all. As a whole, we don’t even come close. And the hippocracy of proclaiming one thing and acting another way is fuel for the fire. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/26 "2005-12-30T07:03:56Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > IIRC, the most direct path to Oz begins in Kansas, right smack in the middle of Jesusland. Plus, meterological conditions apparently need to be _just_ right (certain features of architecture may also be necessary). Canada seems to be a safer bet. As long as you mentioned [Jesusland](http://www.jesusland.com/default.asp?p=map2), I thought I would link the map to it. (This is only one version of course). As far as Oz & Kansas, [I of course meant this Oz](http://www.lonelyplanet.com/mapshells/australasia/australia/australia.htm) not the one most notably accessed from Kansas. You know I drove through Kansas one day and it really did look sepia toned. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/27 "2005-12-30T07:12:27Z")
> [@newcrasher](#): > > I am a Christian, as it seems are you. > > Remember, you are called to show the love of Christ, even to people who do not follow Christ. You are not called to debate them into a Christian life. You are called to love them without expectation of anything in return. > > If more Christians would just do this, people would have a better opinion of us, and be more willing to join us… but somehow we feel the need to debate and put down people who disagree with us. We ridicule and belittle. > > If Der Trihs’s experience with Christians had been one of them loving him unconditionally, do you think he would feel the way he does? The fact that he is threatened by Christians speaks ill of us, not him. That’s an awesome sentiment, but don’t feel too bad about **Der**. He really is just a prick. ---
**Author:** ![elfbabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b782af/32.png) [@elfbabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfbabe)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/28 "2005-12-30T09:42:01Z")
As a slightly paranoid atheist with a strong distrust for organized religion, government, and humanity in general, and who actually _did_ move to Canada\*, I would like to say: **gardener** , you have got to be fucking kidding me. I… …I mean… … you have GOT to be fucking kidding me. - Ok, so I moved for romantic reasons, not political ones… mostly. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/29 "2005-12-30T13:21:10Z")
The style of sarcasm employed in the OP was vaguely annoying in his other (GD) thread. It is still vaguely annoying. I’m a little vague on why I thought to respond to it. Favorite concentration camp (alright, prison camp) movie line (Otto Preminger as commandant of Stalag 17, addressing American POWs): “Perhaps ve vill haff a White Christmas - just like the vuns you used to know.” ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/30 "2005-12-30T14:00:08Z")
> [@elfbabe](#): > > As a slightly paranoid atheist with a strong distrust for organized religion… How are you with **un** organized religions? Seriously, Christian concentration camps? I’m a Christian and rest assured I would not want to live under any man-made theocracy. Maybe the OP recently read Heinlein’s [Revolt in 2100](http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0671577808/qid=1135951111/sr=1-65/ref=sr_1_65/104-9992893-9066331?s=books&v=glance&n=283155) . ---
**Author:** ![esquimalt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4af34b/32.png) [@esquimalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/esquimalt)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/31 "2005-12-30T14:23:48Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > So what goes on in a Christian concentration camp? Bing Crosby singing Christmas Tunes 12 months of the year ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/32 "2005-12-30T14:50:09Z")
> [@Good Egg](#): > > I would like to know where this public support for death penalty for adulterers is. Never heard of it. Where’s it coming from? [Christian Reconstructionism](http://www.crownrights.com/reconstruction/). It’s popular in my area. Scary, too. Here’s the Wikipedia synopsis: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian\_Reconstructionism](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Reconstructionism) ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/33 "2005-12-30T15:07:22Z")
> [@BMalion](#): > > Seriously, Christian concentration camps? I’m a Christian and rest assured I would not want to live under any man-made theocracy. **BMalion** , you may find my links on Christian Reconstructionism (above) to be interesting. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/34 "2005-12-30T15:10:23Z")
> [@newcrasher](#): > > Please elaborate… > > I think I know where you are coming from, but form your short post, I can’t be sure. I was talking about Jesus overturning the money changers tables at the temple. God in scripture is not always about love towards humanity as I understand it, but also has shown anger and perhaps revenge. The view that God is just love is a way to make Christanity more ‘user friendly’ and to attract more people. All my humble O. You state that Christains are called to show the love of Christ. Why just the love part, why not the anger (or are they the same)? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/35 "2005-12-30T15:16:13Z")
The “anger part” belongs only to God, not to you. You are not given the authority to judge. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Carter_of_Mars)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/36 "2005-12-30T15:19:23Z")
Since the thread that **Guinastasia** linked to contains much the same style of representing crap as truth, I’m thinkin’ this OP is a whoosh. In the unlikely event that the OP isn’t a whoosh: > [@gardener](#): > > As **Der Trihs** correctly estimates in [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6915584&postcount=51), he is most likely to die in a Christian concentration camp. **It should be intuitively obvious to any rational person that this is indeed the direction in which this country is headed.** Not obvious. > [@](#): > > … and there is growing public support for enacting Old Testament Law, with its concomitant death sentences for adultery, homosexuality, and idolatry, as the law of the land. Bullshit. > [@](#): > > There have already been a few public officials elected to high office who have expressed a desire to build concentration camps, and no doubt these people will continue to gain power. And who would those officials be? Got a name? > [@](#): > > Even our very president is a self-described fundamentalist Christian who has repeatedly, publicly sworn allegiance to an interpretation of the bible as completely inerrant in all respects, and \*\*indicated that he would fully support legislation to criminalize even the mere status of not being a Christian. (Apologies for not having explicit cites for these clear facts. \*\* I know there are plenty out there; Google must just be malfunctioning at the moment. I’m calling this a deliberate lie, unless you can provide cites. Look, Sparky: Post a link to a cite, or don’t post at all until Google is working for you. > [@](#): > > I’m sure I’ll be able to find some tomorrow. In the meantime, for cites, just read any number of the threads in this forum.) Links to the alleged threads don’t require Google. Just post the links, if you think they exist. > [@](#): > > Given this undeniable, clear evidence that in 50 years or so starvation in a Christian concentration camp will have replaced heart disease as the leading cause of death in the USA, … When come back, bring brain. Note: I’m a confirmed unbeliever; a dyed-in-the-wool agnostic and even I think this is crap. Or more likely, a whoosh. ---
**Author:** ![gardener](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f19dbf/32.png) [@gardener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gardener)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/37 "2005-12-30T15:23:27Z")
> [@BMalion](#): > > How are you with **un** organized religions? [Ben Kingsley in Sneakers]Don’t kid yourself, Marty, it’s not that organized.[/Ben Kingsley in Sneakers] ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/38 "2005-12-30T15:24:34Z")
> [@John Carter of Mars](#): > > Note: I’m a confirmed unbeliever; a dyed-in-the-wool agnostic and even I think this is crap. Or more likely, a whoosh. It’s a whoosh, but this part: > [@](#): > > and there is growing public support for enacting Old Testament Law, with its concomitant death sentences for adultery, homosexuality, and idolatry, as the law of the land. Is true. Read **Qadgop’s** links on Christian Reconstructionism. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/39 "2005-12-30T15:27:52Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I was talking about Jesus overturning the money changers tables at the temple. > > God in scripture is not always about love towards humanity as I understand it, but also has shown anger and perhaps revenge. The view that God is just love is a way to make Christanity more ‘user friendly’ and to attract more people. All my humble O. > > You state that Christains are called to show the love of Christ. Why just the love part, why not the anger (or are they the same)? A priest of my acquaintance used to have hanging on the wall of his office a sign: > [@](#): > > First Steps to Wisdom > > 1. There is a God. > 2. You are not Him. We as Christians are **commanded** to show Christ’s love. A variety of places in Scripture, notably John 13:34-35, can be adduced as cites. Nowhere does He say, “Show my wrath unto others.” Quite the contrary: “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” Attributing motives to others is usually a bad move. Many Christians do what Jesus commanded as the most important things to do simply because He commanded it as the most important things to do, not because it’s “user friendly” or “politically correct” or they “like to water down the Gospel.” As for the O.P., two things need to be said. And it’s much like the China Syndrome nuke plant issue: the probability is low, but the danger **if** the low-probability event happens is high. Specifically, a group called the Christian Reconstructionists is out to revise the Constitution and laws of the U.S. to correspond to what they believe a “moral Christian” society ought to be. You can imagine the sorts of things that that would encompass: no freedom of religion, no freedom of speech where it goes against their creed, “homosexuality” a capital crime, banning of “legal vices,” etc. These guys are considered the lunatic fringe even by most evangelical Christians … but their support is growing. And according to Mel White, who should know, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are among the supporters of that group. I don’t know about Dobson _et al._ but their fulminations about “anti-Christian groups” seem to sound an awful lot like it. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/40 "2005-12-30T15:29:13Z")
> [@Troy McClure SF](#): > > We can wait. I’m pretty sure that was tongue in cheek. He’s making fun of **Der Trihs’** paranoia and victim complex. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673.md?page=3)