# How can we save ourselves from the coming onslaught of Christian concentration camps? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 30, 2005, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673 "2005-12-30T02:24:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/41 "2005-12-30T15:31:04Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > The “anger part” belongs only to God, not to you. You are not given the authority to judge. I beleive that the revenge part is (which is a conscience choice) that belongs to God, not anger part(which is a emotion). “vengance is Mine sayath the Lord” comes to mind ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/42 "2005-12-30T15:31:07Z")
> [@newcrasher](#): > > To be sure, there will always be _someone_ who will not like you just for spite. > > But if we as Christians lived up to Christ’s expectations as far as treating people, it would be pretty hard to find fault with us at all. > > As a whole, we don’t even come close. And the hippocracy of proclaiming one thing and acting another way is fuel for the fire. Classes come and go, but the 2nd grade is always the 2nd grade. or, to quote Rip Torn in Defending your Life “Once you use more than 5% of your brain, you don’t want to live on earth anymore.” ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/43 "2005-12-30T15:36:55Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > It’s a whoosh, but this part: > > Is true. > > Read **Qadgop’s** links on Christian Reconstructionism. You and Qagdop are confusing a noisy minority with something large enough to actually makes a difference, IOW you’re giving this cult more credit than it warrants. Especially in light of the recent outing _en masse_ of the ID school board in PA, I’d be interested in any cites that show “there is growing public support for enacting Old Testament Law, with its concomitant death sentences for adultery, homosexuality, and idolatry, as the law of the land.” There’s a small group of loudmouth idiots. That’s it. You might as well hold Fred Phelps up as an example that “American society clearly disapproves of homosexuality in the strongest terms and believes that gay people should be persecuted and killed”. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Carter_of_Mars)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/44 "2005-12-30T15:37:37Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > It’s a whoosh, but this part: > > Is true. > > Read **Qadgop’s** links on Christian Reconstructionism. I’ve scanned the links, but time limits right now. It’s not hard to find a small number of nut-jobs to support any cause. For example, there are people out there that actually believe LBJ or GWB to be great presidents. A few idiots do not constitute “growing public support”. Maybe there are more of these jerks than I suspect, but ending my days in a christian concentration camp isn’t something I’m losing sleep over. Gotta’ run, so, later. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/45 "2005-12-30T15:40:13Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > I beleive that the revenge part is (which is a conscience choice) that belongs to God, not anger part(which is a emotion). > > “vengance is Mine sayath the Lord” comes to mind “Judge not lest you be judged.” Anger = judgement. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/46 "2005-12-30T15:49:48Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Anger = judgement. I hate to hijack this thread (and if others think I am, let me know and I’ll go start another thread), but I disagree. You can judge someone without it coming from anger. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/47 "2005-12-30T15:54:43Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > “Judge not lest you be judged.” > > Anger = judgement. Not really a good equivalent. Judgment does not necessarily entail anger. However, “But now ye also put off all these: anger, wrath, malice…” (Colossians 3:8) ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/48 "2005-12-30T15:55:34Z")
Sorry for the hijack, but… **DtC** , can you explain how you came to be so knowledgeable in the scriptures? If you have explained this before could you just throw me a link? Or maybe an email if this isn’t the right forum for this question. I have often wondered if you have formal training or simply did your own research on the metter. I don’t doubt your interpretations of the scriptures, it’s just that in anything other than a religious dicussion you do not strike me as someone who would be interested in religion. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/49 "2005-12-30T16:07:03Z")
> [@gardener](#): > > In the meantime, for cites, just read any number of the threads in this forum. Well, since nobody else has picked up this one: Nazir Ahmed and other ignorant fucks of his ilk Why is the Mao book hoaxer’s name STILL a “secret”? How can we save ourselves from the coming onslaught of Christian concentration camps? “What they’re doing is illegal in the US”…and does an overzealous mod have a CITE?! …and Direct Optical can lick my sack, too… We Have a Robber Baron on the Board! ( 1 2 3 4 5 6 ) You! Yes, you, you psychotic hosebeast! You’re FIRED!! Do You Have Financial Interest in LASIK or what? Czarcasm, our protector against adverse opinions. How nice of Mr. Gates to share his fortune with us all Why did the Post Office do this? Fuckers!!! I hope you come out of Iraq alive, but before you do, kindly Randi Rhodes - AirAmerica - Liberal Radio Staged end zone celebrations There is no Santa ( 1 2 ) Oh silly, of course they didn’t mean it that way! ( 1 2 3 4 ) Have I been “Left Behind”? ( 1 2 ) It wasn’t racially motivated unless your race is “dumb” ( 1 2 Where’s my package? :😠: (FedEx rant) Woman behold thy daughter, daughter thy mother, & BOTH OF YOU LOSE MY NUMBER! ( 1 2 3 4 5 6 … Last Page ) My FIL ( 1 2 ) Adventures in bureaucracy: Changing your name and pushing the red button A coworker walked off the job yesterday… ( 1 2 ) More reasons to avoid the movie theater ( 1 2 ) To the asshole who dented my car today ( 1 2 ) Three Pits in one compulsory “Equality” form- fuck you, I don’t fit in your boxes! Does anyone take Tucker Carlson seriously? ( 1 2 ) I pit…the zipper. Thanks for the day off, FUCKERS! Saddam tortured! Stupid things politicians say. What numbering system, exactly, are you using which leads you to believe that “any number” of the above quotes supports your claim? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/50 "2005-12-30T16:17:18Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > I hate to hijack this thread (and if others think I am, let me know and I’ll go start another thread), but I disagree. You can judge someone without it coming from anger. You’re not supposed to judge someone at all. I was saying that anger (in the context I thought that **kanicbird** was using it) is an expression of judgement. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/51 "2005-12-30T16:19:38Z")
> [@Qadgop the Mercotan](#): > > **BMalion** , you may find my links on Christian Reconstructionism (above) to be interesting. Ugh, weird and icky. I am a believer but I would never try to force my belief by law on someone else. What? they don’t trust God to do what he says he’ll do? Thanks for the links **Qadgop the Mercotan** , that is a loon-subset that I had not yet heard of. I will be more aware with my fellow Christians and if I hear any of this nonsense I will not be silent, I will speak up and try to help them understand that this is foolish. So, can I be in the underground resistance? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/52 "2005-12-30T16:22:07Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > You’re not supposed to judge someone at all. I was saying that anger (in the context I thought that **kanicbird** was using it) is an expression of judgement. I agree with that, I just disagree that anger is the source of all judgment. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/53 "2005-12-30T16:25:46Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > “Judge not lest you be judged.” Do you remember the rest of the verse? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/54 "2005-12-30T16:29:40Z")
> [@Greathouse](#): > > Sorry for the hijack, but… > > **DtC** , can you explain how you came to be so knowledgeable in the scriptures? If you have explained this before could you just throw me a link? Or maybe an email if this isn’t the right forum for this question. I have often wondered if you have formal training or simply did your own research on the metter. I don’t doubt your interpretations of the scriptures, it’s just that in anything other than a religious dicussion you do not strike me as someone who would be interested in religion. I’ve been asked this a lot so I apologize for boring everyone again. My Biblical knowledge, such as it is, has been acquired through a combination of formal training (BA in Religion and Classical Languages) as well as years of independent study. My interest is not “religious,” as such, but historical and empirical. I am fascinated both by the Bible as a respository of ancient religious literature and by Middle eastern history. I am a Bible crit geek the way some other people are Civil War geeks or Tolkien geeks. ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/55 "2005-12-30T16:32:08Z")
> [@BMalion](#): > > Do you remember the rest of the verse? It doesn’t matter. It’s more fun for him to imply Christians are hypocrites by spouting off his own interpretation of Christianity, even though he isn’t a believer. Christians most certainly can judge, in the general sense. There are certain kinds of judgement (good person vs. evil person) that are best left to God, but there are other kinds of judgement that are necessary (e.g., criminal vs. non-criminal). ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/56 "2005-12-30T16:38:08Z")
I’m torn. I want very badly to be in the Resistance, but I kinda want to be the dispassionate nurse with the eyedrops as well… Choices, choices! Do I think the scenario is likely? no. But I do think that there are any number of people who would support such a government --and yes, those people tend to be conservative Christians. We are fortunate that as bad as it’s gotten, they haven’t been able to make their agenda acceptable to mainstream America, yet. Maybe they never will–that’s what I hope. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/57 "2005-12-30T16:38:31Z")
> [@BMalion](#): > > Do you remember the rest of the verse? That is the entire verse (Matthew 7:1). ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/58 "2005-12-30T16:41:11Z")
> [@BMalion](#): > > Do you remember the rest of the verse? Actually, that **is** the verse: Matthew 7:1. The rest of the _pericopé_, or small snatch of Jesus’s teaching, which is what you obviously meant, is Matthew 7:2. > [@Jesus of Nazareth](#): > > For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged. And with what measure you mete out, to you it will likewise be meted out. Scariest verse in Scripture, in my opinion. Because I can get angry, and hostile, and upset about things. As you imply, it’s not in full a command not to judge, but (implicitly) one to judge with the mercy and compassion that you would like extended to you. A kind of corollary to the Golden Rule (which comes ten verses later in the same teaching) specifically directed at humans’ tendency to judge. So tempting as it is for me to imagine a “reprogramming center” for Garry North, the Rushloonies, and the rest of the C.R., I need to treat them as I myself would be treated. “Pay attention. There’ll be a test on this later.” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/59 "2005-12-30T16:42:48Z")
> [@Metacom](#): > > It doesn’t matter. It’s more fun for him to imply Christians are hypocrites by spouting off his own interpretation of Christianity, even though he isn’t a believer. There IS no rest of the verse and how did I imply that Christians are hypocrites? I was actually _supporting_ the views of at least two other Christians in this thread. > [@](#): > > Christians most certainly can judge, in the general sense. There are certain kinds of judgement (good person vs. evil person) that are best left to God, but there are other kinds of judgement that are necessary (e.g., criminal vs. non-criminal). We were only talking about the “moral” sense. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/60 "2005-12-30T16:43:34Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > That is the entire verse (Matthew 7:1). Okay then, let’s introduce the verse that comes after it as well. > [@Matthew 7:1-2](#): > > 1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. I interpret that as saying that you are free to judge others as much as you want, but that God will use the same measuring stick when He judges you. If you are fair and lenient, then so will He be fair and lenient. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673.md?page=4)