# How can we save ourselves from the coming onslaught of Christian concentration camps? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 30, 2005, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673 "2005-12-30T02:24:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/61 "2005-12-30T16:45:15Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > We were only talking about the “moral” sense. OK. Now, identify who is being judged and what they are being judged on in this thread (the act of judgement that started this whole trainwreck). Then, explain how it’s a moral judgement. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/62 "2005-12-30T16:48:58Z")
**Polycarp** not only beat me to it, but said it much more eloquently than I ever could have. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/63 "2005-12-30T16:50:02Z")
> [@Metacom](#): > > OK. Now, identify who is being judged and what they are being judged on in this thread (the act of judgement that started this whole trainwreck). Then, explain how it’s a moral judgement. I have not claimed that anyone is “being judged in this thread,” so I can’t really help you with this request. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/64 "2005-12-30T16:54:21Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > Okay then, let’s introduce the verse that comes after it as well. > > I interpret that as saying that you are free to judge others as much as you want, but that God will use the same measuring stick when He judges you. If you are fair and lenient, then so will He be fair and lenient. A distinction without much of a difference. “You are free to judge but if you judge wrong, you’re dead meat.” ---
**Author:** ![Greathouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greathouse/32/2992_2.png) [@Greathouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greathouse)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/65 "2005-12-30T16:59:01Z")
Thanks, DtC. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/66 "2005-12-30T17:02:52Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > A distinction without much of a difference. “You are free to judge but if you judge wrong, you’re dead meat.” I think there’s quite a distinction to be made between “don’t judge anyone ever” and “I’ll use the same criteria on you that you use on others”. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/67 "2005-12-30T17:38:57Z")
**Diogenes the Cynic** , my apologies, that was the entire verse, you are correct. I actually meant the rest of the teaching, as **Polycarp** put it. Sorry for the confusion. ---
**Author:** ![elfbabe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b782af/32.png) [@elfbabe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfbabe)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/68 "2005-12-30T18:57:15Z")
> [@BMalion](#): > > How are you with **un** organized religions? Well, I _am_ a Unitarian. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/69 "2005-12-30T19:22:28Z")
Here’s an article claiming that our current president is a Dominionist (AKA Christian Reconstructionist): [http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm](http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm) Also there’s quite a bit about the claim that the Dominionists have taken over the Republican Party. (not saying I buy into it, just saying it’s interesting!) ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/70 "2005-12-30T19:26:52Z")
> [@Qadgop the Mercotan](#): > > Here’s an article claiming that our current president is a Dominionist (AKA Christian Reconstructionist): [http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm](http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm) > > Also there’s quite a bit about the claim that the Dominionists have taken over the Republican Party. > > (not saying I buy into it, just saying it’s interesting!) By interesting, do you mean scary? Jim ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/71 "2005-12-30T19:31:42Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > I for one welcome our new non-Christian overlords. > > They probably can’t fuck things up as badly as our existing Christian overlords have. Dunno, it’s not like you’d have an easy time dating in Afganistan. Of course, that might just be from the lack of Old Milwaukee. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/72 "2005-12-30T19:42:42Z")
> [@BMalion](#): > > Ugh, weird and icky. I am a believer but I would never try to force my belief by law on someone else. What? they don’t trust God to do what he says he’ll do? Their response to this is as follows: > [@](#): > > Dominion theology is predicated upon three basic beliefs: > > (a) Satan usurped man’s dominion over the earth through the temptation of Adam and Eve; > (b) The Church is God’s instrument to take dominion back from Satan; and > (c) **Jesus cannot or will not return until the Church has taken dominion by gaining control of the earth’s governmental and social institutions**. [http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/cor/dominion.htm](http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/cor/dominion.htm) ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/73 "2005-12-30T19:55:46Z")
Christian concentration camp, aka, cubicle. Erek ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/74 "2005-12-30T20:17:40Z")
> [@](#): > > © Jesus cannot or will not return until the Church has taken dominion by gaining control of the earth’s governmental and social institutions. Interesting that they consider it a possibility that Jesus might be unable to do something, that it’s actually not within His power to return until other conditions are met. Which begs the question, do any mainstream Christian groups believe that same, that Christ perhaps cannot return (not just chooses not to return) until some condition is met? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/75 "2005-12-30T20:38:59Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Christian concentration camp, aka, cubicle. > > Erek With some of the glurge that’s made its way into my inbox at work, I’d say that’s a pretty apt comparison. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/76 "2005-12-30T20:39:08Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Which begs the question, do any mainstream Christian groups believe that same, that Christ perhaps cannot return (not just chooses not to return) until some condition is met? It’s my experience that mainstream churches do not believe this, but individual members of some churches do. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/77 "2005-12-30T20:55:22Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > Interesting that they consider it a possibility that Jesus might be unable to do something, that it’s actually not within His power to return until other conditions are met. > > Which begs the question, do any mainstream Christian groups believe that same, that Christ perhaps cannot return (not just chooses not to return) until some condition is met? I would say it’s not so much as a “Cannot”, as a “will not” return until certain conditions are met. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/78 "2005-12-30T20:56:43Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > With some of the glurge that’s made its way into my inbox at work, I’d say that’s a pretty apt comparison. If you work hard, keep your nose clean then after you’re dead, you’ll have a great life. 😉 Erek ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/79 "2005-12-30T21:03:30Z")
> [@DtC](#): > > You’re not supposed to judge someone at all. I was saying that anger (in the context I thought that kanicbird was using it) is an expression of judgement. I don’t accept that judgment = anger either, and I was not using anger in the terms of judgement. My point is I don’t accept the premise of a ever loving God, God can be argry and vengeful. We are called to ‘express’ the love of God, but even in God there appears to be times when this love can be put on hold. Going in another direction of the OP, one that I considered opening a thread which I could name **How can we save ourselves from the coming onslaught of Christian concentration camps?** but the OP would be quite different. As I see it we are fastly becoming a anit-Christian country where the Gov’t enforces bans on Christian symbols and teachings. And we allow and sometimes outright celebrate sins like homosexuality and abortion. We are unquestionably moving away from the Judao-Christian foundlings of our country which has allowed the freest nation on the face of the earth to come about. I see this hand and hand in our countries gradual shift more towards socialism, and loss of more rights. I can see the day where this become so overwhelming that Christianity will be eventually directly outlawed just like religion’s are outlawed in communist countries. Christians who don’t give up the faith will be sent to Christian Concentration camps and tortured till they either die or accept the anti-Christian belief. I see my senario far more likely then this OP’s. Actually I can’t see his comming about at all here - totally out of the question and no evidence supports it - we are moving the other way IHMO. ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2005, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673/80 "2005-12-30T21:16:14Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I have not claimed that anyone is “being judged in this thread,” so I can’t really help you with this request. Then why are you talking about the topic of judgement in this thread? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-we-save-ourselves-from-the-coming-onslaught-of-christian-concentration-camps/337673.md?page=5)