# How can you compare these two? Are you an idiot? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2002, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-you-compare-these-two-are-you-an-idiot/141187 "2002-12-07T21:02:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2002, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-you-compare-these-two-are-you-an-idiot/141187/21 "2002-12-09T18:08:47Z")
I assume that you cut out the part of the conversation where she said that the people who make these shirts should be arrested…because I don’t see it in the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2002, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-you-compare-these-two-are-you-an-idiot/141187/22 "2002-12-09T18:16:45Z")
**Honey:** _Just as we are free to express, others are free to protest. Every time I put a Darwin Fish on my car someone removes it._ Just pointing out that of course removing **your** sticker from **your** car does not constitute any form of protected speech or “protest”: it is vandalism and theft. ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2002, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-you-compare-these-two-are-you-an-idiot/141187/23 "2002-12-09T19:01:55Z")
**Opal** There are certainly laws against it in the UK and in Europe, many apply to the display of Nazi symbolism. Incitement to racial hatred is particularly frowned upon by the police, and if you were present when such behavior was being conducted and were wearing such clothes then there isn’t too much doubt about the attitude of the law enforcement agencies. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2002, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-you-compare-these-two-are-you-an-idiot/141187/24 "2002-12-09T19:26:03Z")
jarbabyj\*: I was addressing casdave’s post, and asking him to clarify his position. \*I am so so so so so so sorry, but I accidentally typed this as “jarjar” the first time :X ---
**Author:** ![Francesca](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9fc348/32.png) [@Francesca](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Francesca)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2002, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-you-compare-these-two-are-you-an-idiot/141187/25 "2002-12-09T19:46:04Z")
I’m wondering more whether he has permission to reproduce/rip off [Beryl Cook’s art](http://www.berylcook.com/). ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2002, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-you-compare-these-two-are-you-an-idiot/141187/26 "2002-12-09T20:29:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kimstu \* > \*\ ***Honey:** _Just as we are free to express, others are free to protest. Every time I put a Darwin Fish on my car someone removes it._ > > Just pointing out that of course removing **your** sticker from **your** car does not constitute any form of protected speech or “protest”: it is vandalism and theft. \*\* Yeah, I know but for $1.99 I can just replace it. It’s not worth stewing about. Goddess knows there are enough things in the world already to make my blood pressure rise. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2002, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-you-compare-these-two-are-you-an-idiot/141187/27 "2002-12-09T20:35:46Z")
So anyway… back to the intent of the OP… who here thinks that the right to wear a t-shirt with Jesus flipping the bird is the same as the right to rearrange someone’s face? ---
**Author:** ![butter\_pie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/aca169/32.png) [@butter\_pie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/butter_pie)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2002, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-you-compare-these-two-are-you-an-idiot/141187/28 "2002-12-09T21:08:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Francesca \* > \*\*I’m wondering more whether he has permission to reproduce/rip off [Beryl Cook’s art](http://www.berylcook.com/). \*\* Yeah, that is a pretty blatant rip-off. I would consider reporting that to CafePress. (Well, not me myself, I would do it if I weren’t so darn lazy…) ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2002, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-you-compare-these-two-are-you-an-idiot/141187/29 "2002-12-09T21:23:57Z")
If the rip-off of Beryl Cook’s art is considered “satire”, it might not be considered copyright infringement. But I don’t know if it is. It is a little astonishing that these people thought that such tasteless and rude t-shirts had no _right_ to be published. That’s just single-minded ignorance. However, every time anyone publishes something controversial, they have to expect dissent, and a negative reaction. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2002, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-you-compare-these-two-are-you-an-idiot/141187/30 "2002-12-09T23:14:20Z")
Opal you don’t understand him because you don’t speak _Stupid_. _Stupid_ sounds really close to english but it is not english and you should not confuse the two. You should be smart enough to know that. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2002, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-you-compare-these-two-are-you-an-idiot/141187/31 "2002-12-09T23:25:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by OpalCat \* > \*\* who here thinks that the right to wear a t-shirt with Jesus flipping the bird is the same as the right to rearrange someone’s face? \*\* you mean rearrange with photoshop? ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2002, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-you-compare-these-two-are-you-an-idiot/141187/32 "2002-12-10T02:41:49Z")
Eh…no. And I fully agree that if she has a problem with it, she should complain to CafePress. It’s up to CafePress if they want to sell the stuff or not… (but I think they do since the stuff is featured on their “most popular thongs” page)… and if the conversation had ended there it would have been one thing… ---
**Author:** ![pantheon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/6bbea6/32.png) [@pantheon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pantheon)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2002, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-you-compare-these-two-are-you-an-idiot/141187/33 "2002-12-10T04:20:35Z")
I have several t-shirts I designed myself as a graphic designer which I freely admit were designed -with the express intent- of offending fundamentalist xtians. However, even I am unsure of how I feel about this shirt… An initial smirk in recognition of the success of the shock value they were going for, followed -very- quickly by parental instinct of knowing I would probably not find it at all funny if I saw someone wearing it in public…Hypocritical of me? Maybe. What’s your reaction? [http://www.tshirthell.com/insensitive.htm](http://www.tshirthell.com/insensitive.htm) BTW, OpalCat, yes- that person is an idiot. They seem incapable of seperating emotion from logic when debating a point. Or, more likely, incapable of logic. period. ---
**Author:** ![Badtz\_Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e36b37/32.png) [@Badtz\_Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Badtz_Maru)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2002, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-you-compare-these-two-are-you-an-idiot/141187/34 "2002-12-10T08:45:49Z")
Heh, I like it. There’s a shirt I want from [rottencotton.com](http://rottencotton.com) that I probably would never wear because some people would probably take it wrong. It’s a plain black shirt with ‘White Devil’ written on it in smallish print. I like the idea of taking hateful names and phrases and defusing them by adopting them in an ironic sense, but some idiot would probably assume I was racist or something if I wore it. Guess I’ll have to settle for the ‘Dead Girls Never Say No’ shirt. Who’s going to be offended by that? Dead rape victims? ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2002, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-you-compare-these-two-are-you-an-idiot/141187/35 "2002-12-10T12:40:14Z")
My favorite from tshirthell is this one: [http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/tshirt.php?sku=a131](http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/tshirt.php?sku=a131) And I’d probably dislike seeing MOST of the tshirt hell shirts actually on someone. ---
**Author:** ![butter\_pie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/aca169/32.png) [@butter\_pie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/butter_pie)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2002, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-you-compare-these-two-are-you-an-idiot/141187/36 "2002-12-10T14:00:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by yosemitebabe \* > **If the rip-off of Beryl Cook’s art is considered “satire”, it might not be considered copyright infringement. But I don’t know if it is.** Maybe not technically, but CafePress has a pretty stritch policy on anything that could even be remotely construed as copyright infringement. ---
**Author:** ![butter\_pie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/aca169/32.png) [@butter\_pie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/butter_pie)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2002, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-you-compare-these-two-are-you-an-idiot/141187/37 "2002-12-10T14:02:09Z")
strict, I have no idea what that word I wrote was. Urgh… :o ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2002, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-you-compare-these-two-are-you-an-idiot/141187/38 "2002-12-10T18:46:16Z")
To answer your ? Badtz Maru: the families of dead rape victims. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2002, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-you-compare-these-two-are-you-an-idiot/141187/39 "2002-12-10T18:59:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jinwicked \* > \*\*Maybe not technically, but CafePress has a pretty stritch policy on anything that could even be remotely construed as copyright infringement. \*\* Yeah, you can’t even have the word “caution” in your design 😉 (I wink, but it’s actually true) ---
**Author:** ![Avalonian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@Avalonian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avalonian)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2002, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-you-compare-these-two-are-you-an-idiot/141187/40 "2002-12-10T19:21:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by OpalCat \* > \*\*It’s up to CafePress if they want to sell the stuff or not… (but I think they do since the stuff is featured on their “most popular thongs” page)… \*\* Wow, CafePress has expanded their product offerings since I last looked there… thongs, even! 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-you-compare-these-two-are-you-an-idiot/141187.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-can-you-compare-these-two-are-you-an-idiot/141187.md?page=3)