# How come a Creationist doesn't post somethin .... **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 10, 2005, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-a-creationist-doesnt-post-somethin/298715 "2005-04-10T23:31:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-a-creationist-doesnt-post-somethin/298715/141 "2005-04-14T13:47:55Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > I recommend e-mail next time. It’s private, and doesn’t have any collateral damage. 🙂 I can see some value in an _occasional_ MPSIMSish thread outside of MPSIMS for those of us who wouldn’t step foot in MPSIMS on a bet. We are people, too, most of us, and sometimes build up personal relationships, within our limited capabilities. And sometimes it’s nice to be able to relate together, as a group, without somebody piping in about their dead cat or favorite sexual position. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-a-creationist-doesnt-post-somethin/298715/142 "2005-04-14T14:45:01Z")
> [@roger thornhill](#): > > **Lekatt** , James Wilson’s _The Moral Sense_ provides a kind of introit into the idea of a theory of a moral sense. Academically, I’ve been busy with other things (finishing post-viva revisions to my PhD thesis) and haven’t given much thought to this kind of thing - until recently. So here’s a rather higledy-pigledy, very non-state-of-the-art summary of Wilson’s position. > > Wilson believes that there exists a common human nature which forms the basis for moral judgements because we each possess an inherent moral sense. (Moslem as well as J-C, I guess; Easterner/Confucianist as well as Westerner, I guess too.) He adduces evidence for his claim from areas such as child psychology and anthropology, as well as those tried and trusted fallbacks of common sense observations and anecdotal evidence. > > Wilson identifies four basic sentiments in the moral sense: sympathy, fairness, self-control and duty. The two main sources of the M.S. are the sociability of human beings and the family (esp. the mother). Wilson commnents as follows in the context of a discussion regarding the assumptions that underlie the debate over moral development: “I am…suspicious of any theory that says that the highest moral stage is one in which people talk like college professors.” [Cf. Clive James (TV critic, TV personality, author, humorist - in the UK a bit like what fellow Aussie exile Robert Hughes is in the States), who wrote (reflecting on the adulation/acceptance given in his dotage to Hitler’s architect Albert Speer): “those who make our living through our brains should remember that…intellect confers no automatic moral superiority”; and Popper, who wrote “Whenever a theory appears to you as the only possible one, take this as a sign that you have neither understood the theory nor the problem which it was intended to solve”.] > > According to Wilson, the most remarkable change in the moral history of man is the rise of the view that _all people_ , not just one’s own friends and allies, are entitled to fair treatment. At the same time that its history was filled with barbarism, oppression and selfishness, the West developed ideas both universal and individual, which brings us to Popper’s _Open Society_. > > My renewed interest in the theory of the moral sense has been piqued by reflections I’ve been making recently on one component of Platonic psychology, the desire for recognition (often represented by the Greek word _thymos_). Fukuyama argues that liberal democracy could be subverted by an _excess_ of this desire\*, whether in its guise as the desire for equal recognition (isothymia - beloved of the Left) or the desire to be recognised as superior (megalothymia - also beloved of the Left!) (Just enjoying a little joke at the expense of my socialist friends, members of Greenpeace and Amnesty, etc… Forgive me - I’ll behave now.) > > The desire for recognition leads to a consideration of the Golden Rule, in both its Western and Eastern manifestations#. > > On a personal note, the one command in the Bible that I have always wrestled with - in terms not of its reasonableness, but of its applicability/practicability - is James the brother of Jesus’ caution that the person who “knows what is right to do and fails to do it” sins (James 4:17). > > I’ll check out a few threads and then log out, as I must get down to some serious revisions (which is hard when discussions here are so much more interesting and stimulating than what I am obliged to do). But I’ll be back to respond to any feedback that comes my way in fairly short order. > > - Just as an excess of any essentially good thing tends to be bad for one. > > # “Exactly as you would wish people to act towards you, act like that towards them” (Jesus - the positive, western version) - which blows me out of the ground- and “Don’t do to others what you wouldn’t want them to do to you” (the negative Taoist/Confucianist version) - which leaves me rather cold, frankly speaking. I agree again with the principle of your post. I have a huge task of trying to explain the morality of the near death experience. Both the scientists and religionists strongly disapprove because it takes something way from their doctrines, but I believe it adds plenty to make up for the losses. First: yes, there is moral sense inherent in all individuals. It is the “spark” of the Creator, there to guide us on our journey through life. Second: the basic sentiment is love, when applied it forms an atmosphere of honesty, empathy, and compassion for all others. Third: The basic rule is the Golden Rule: [http://www.aleroy.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28](http://www.aleroy.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28) Told above in many religions. Fourth: the enforcer “What goes around, comes around,” “You will reap whatsoever you sow,” etc. Without an enforcer morality does nothing. There has to be a reason people want to learn to love others, and there is a whole bunch of very good reasons, but I will leave off with this. ---
**Author:** ![Hoodoo\_Ulove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/58956e/32.png) [@Hoodoo\_Ulove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoodoo_Ulove)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-a-creationist-doesnt-post-somethin/298715/143 "2005-04-14T15:04:51Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I have a huge task of trying to explain the morality of the near death experience. Both the scientists and religionists strongly disapprove because it takes something way from their doctrines, but I believe it adds plenty to make up for the losses. Huh? How can an experience have a morality? The scientists and the religionists disapprove of what? Where does it take whatever it takes from their doctrines? What is the “it” that adds plenty of what to make up for the losses of what? Just wondering. ---
**Author:** ![SentientMeat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@SentientMeat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SentientMeat)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-a-creationist-doesnt-post-somethin/298715/144 "2005-04-14T15:14:10Z")
Ah, I had not noticed that **lekatt** was back. Welcome again, Leroy. If I assured you that **Czarcasm** would not be making any more snide remarks, would you be willing to explore important experimental results from decades of research in cognitive science in a [dedicated thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=261872)? ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-a-creationist-doesnt-post-somethin/298715/145 "2005-04-14T15:32:44Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I agree again with the principle of your post. For the love of all that weeps for mercy in the face of wanton waste, will you _please_ stop quoting the entire content of a post, especially one nine paragraphs long, when just making a couple of points. > [@lekatt](#): > > Without an enforcer morality does nothing. There has to be a reason people want to learn to love others, and there is a whole bunch of very good reasons, but I will leave off with this. Nonsense. Apparent altruism, based upon anticipated reciprocation, is common in daily discourse, i.e. scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours later. People who take but do not return are labeled as “sponges” and are shunned, or at least have to appeal to pity or resort to extortion to continue their parasitic behavior. The dogma you call morality is an (intellectually) poor man’s substitute for appreciating the consequences of an action. This is not to say that it’s not useful as a guideline for daily behavior, but it often becomes perverted to justify the ends of those who claim to represent “the enforcer”. I see no evidence that your god punishes the wicked and rewards the righteous (as measured by your standards), other than a vague and variable promise of rewards in the “next life”. At any rate, the case that people who hold a religious belief behave in a more moral fashion is at odds with observed behavior. The threat of eternal damnation or loss of heavenly bounties doesn’t prevent many self-proclaimed “good Christians” (and others) from behaving in ways that are diametrically opposed to the morals they supposedly hold with. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-a-creationist-doesnt-post-somethin/298715/146 "2005-04-14T15:57:09Z")
> [@Darwin's Finch](#): > > Oh, and thanks for the concern, **David Simmons** , _et al_. Things have improved for me since that thread from March (most importantly, perhaps, I am not so much filled with despair as disappointed bemusment right now), but _damn_ it would be nice if things could actually go my way once in a while… Don’t mention it. It’s that I don’t want a poster whose inputs I enjoy to disappear. I’m glad things are improved. And I refuse to say anything trite like, “Everything happens for the best.” Hell no, everything doesn’t. And time doesn’t heal all wounds either, but if the wound isn’t picked at it eventually fades into the background. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-a-creationist-doesnt-post-somethin/298715/147 "2005-04-14T18:36:33Z")
> [@SentientMeat](#): > > Ah, I had not noticed that **lekatt** was back. > > Welcome again, Leroy. If I assured you that **Czarcasm** would not be making any more snide remarks, would you be willing to explore important experimental results from decades of research in cognitive science in a [dedicated thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=261872)? No thank you, the deck was stacked, and no one read my posts, so it was worthless. Might point out that the Pam Reynolds surgery report was strong enough to turn the minds of many. Long-time skeptic Susan Blackmore researched it and is no longer a skeptic. ---
**Author:** ![Hoodoo\_Ulove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/58956e/32.png) [@Hoodoo\_Ulove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoodoo_Ulove)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-a-creationist-doesnt-post-somethin/298715/148 "2005-04-14T20:33:40Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > Might point out that the Pam Reynolds surgery report was strong enough to turn the minds of many. Long-time skeptic Susan Blackmore researched it and is no longer a skeptic. If true, she has gone from being an enthusiast of OBEs to being a reluctant skeptic to an enthusiast again. So far. ---
**Author:** ![SentientMeat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@SentientMeat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SentientMeat)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-a-creationist-doesnt-post-somethin/298715/149 "2005-04-14T20:42:04Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > Might point out that the Pam Reynolds surgery report was strong enough to turn the minds of many. Long-time skeptic Susan Blackmore researched it and is no longer a skeptic. **Fucking hell, you’ve got some balls.** Apologies for suddenly making this thread non-worksafe, but **lekatt** has just stated an **ABSOLUTE UNTRUTH** about someone I have actually _met_. She has dedicated her career to rigorously searching for paranormal phenomena and **tours the country** describing her **UTTER FAILURE**. Citation, **lekatt**. Right now. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-a-creationist-doesnt-post-somethin/298715/150 "2005-04-14T21:20:18Z")
Calm down, **Sentient**. I doubt that **lekatt** is making this up. He probably read it somewhere. Just as the Nine Commandment Christians quickly fabricated the story of Darwin “recanting” on his deathbed, so a few less than scrupulous NDE adherents have begun claiming that Ms. Blackmore has changed her mind. (The sources of their claim are a bit dodgy, given that she was actively and publicly debating the topic–without changing sides to join the NDE folks–just a few months ago) ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2005, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-a-creationist-doesnt-post-somethin/298715/151 "2005-04-14T22:07:54Z")
> [@Stranger On A Train](#): > > Castigated how? Personally insulted, or just had your opinion on a factual matter disputed? I’m not saying that this is the caes with you, for I don’t have an example to go from, but I’ve found that many people become defensive and cry “Foul!” when confronted with a mistake in reasoning or an imcorrect assumption. > Er, it’s you who’ve made the claim; it’s your responsibility to back it up with citations. A complete survey isn’t necessary; a short list of examples is quite sufficient, and I’m sure you can put your own user name and an “appropriate word” (???) in the search engine and pop out a few examples. > > Again, I’m not saying it hasn’t happened…but in creation/evolution debates I’ve seen here, the vitriol seems to be flying in one direction, and it’s opposite of the vector you claim. > > Stranger I am willing to do as you ask. However, since the SDMB was reformatted this last year, I cannot find URLs for specific threads–resting the cursor on the thread’s link, in this forum or that, doesn’t work anymore. If there is a way to locate the proper URL for each thread, tell me what it is and I’ll trake it from there. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-a-creationist-doesnt-post-somethin/298715/152 "2005-04-15T02:10:04Z")
> [@SentientMeat](#): > > **Fucking hell, you’ve got some balls.** > > Apologies for suddenly making this thread non-worksafe, but **lekatt** has just stated an **ABSOLUTE UNTRUTH** about someone I have actually _met_. She has dedicated her career to rigorously searching for paranormal phenomena and **tours the country** describing her **UTTER FAILURE**. > > Citation, **lekatt**. Right now. You do get upset, don’t you. One day you and the rest will understand I speak honestly. Susan Blackmore said: > [@](#): > > "So why didn’t I give up then? There are lots of bad reasons. Admitting you are wrong is always hard, even though it’s a skill every scientist needs to learn. And starting again as a baby in a new field is a daunting prospect. So is losing all the status and power of being an expert. I have to confess I enjoyed my hard-won knowledge. > > …None of it ever gets anywhere. That’s a good enough reason for leaving. > > But perhaps the real reason is that I am just too tired - and tired above all of working to maintain an open mind. I couldn’t dismiss all those extraordinary claims out of hand. After all, they just might be true …? Skeptical interviewer: > [@](#): > > We’ll miss you, Susan [http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/anomalistics/skeptic\_research.htm](http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/anomalistics/skeptic_research.htm) ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-a-creationist-doesnt-post-somethin/298715/153 "2005-04-15T05:36:57Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > You do get upset, don’t you. > One day you and the rest will understand I speak honestly. > Susan Blackmore said: > > > [@](#): > > > > So why didn’t I give up then? There are lots of bad reasons. Admitting you are wrong is always hard, even though it’s a skill every scientist needs to learn. And starting again as a baby in a new field is a daunting prospect. So is losing all the status and power of being an expert. I have to confess I enjoyed my hard-won knowledge. > > > > …None of it ever gets anywhere. That’s a good enough reason for leaving. > > > > But perhaps the real reason is that I am just too tired - and tired above all of working to maintain an open mind. I couldn’t dismiss all those extraordinary claims out of hand. After all, they just might be true …? > > [http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/anomalistics/skeptic\_research.htm](http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/anomalistics/skeptic_research.htm) Your selective quote has distorted the sense of your cite. Blackmore was saying that she had tried to find confirmation for psychic phenomena and failed. Here is her full quote including the lead-in to part your quoted and which you omitted. > [@](#): > > Come to think of it, I feel slightly sad. It was just over thirty years ago that I had the dramatic out-of-body experience that convinced me of the reality of psychic phenomena… _Just of few years of careful experiments changed all that_. I found no psychic phenomena… I became a sceptic.(emphasis added). > > So why didn’t I give up then? There are lots of bad reasons. Admitting you are wrong is always hard, even though it’s a skill every scientist needs to learn. And starting again as a baby in a new field is a daunting prospect. So is losing all the status and power of being an expert. I have to confess I enjoyed my hard-won knowledge. The whole article was for the purpose of degrading the skeptical opinion of psychic phenomena and critique of Blackmore’s methods. However, Blackmore did not say that she was recanting her conclusion that her work failed to find any evidence for psychic phenomena. Quite the contrary. ---
**Author:** ![SentientMeat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@SentientMeat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SentientMeat)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-a-creationist-doesnt-post-somethin/298715/154 "2005-04-15T08:36:46Z")
Actually, **lekatt** , I might very well meet Susan again in June at the Cheltenham Science Festival since I am involved in the same event as her partner Adam Hart Davis. Her talk will explain _yet again_ how she changed her mind **from** believer **to** skeptic, as _your very own_ incompetent misquote says. So if I get the chance to ask her “Susan, I hear you are no longer a skeptic but believe that NDE’s are evidence of an afterlife?” she’ll reply “Yes, that’s correct” will she? Come on **lekatt** , unload before us that wheelbarrow in which you transport your gargantuan gonads and say “Yes, I predict that she will.” > [@](#): > > Skeptical interviewer: > We’ll miss you, Susan They’ll miss her _investigations_. Do you even **read** the stuff you cite? ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-a-creationist-doesnt-post-somethin/298715/155 "2005-04-15T13:48:51Z")
> [@SentientMeat](#): > > Actually, **lekatt** , I might very well meet Susan again in June at the Cheltenham Science Festival since I am involved in the same event as her partner Adam Hart Davis. Her talk will explain _yet again_ how she changed her mind **from** believer **to** skeptic, as _your very own_ incompetent misquote says. > > So if I get the chance to ask her “Susan, I hear you are no longer a skeptic but believe that NDE’s are evidence of an afterlife?” she’ll reply “Yes, that’s correct” will she? > > Come on **lekatt** , unload before us that wheelbarrow in which you transport your gargantuan gonads and say “Yes, I predict that she will.” > > They’ll miss her _investigations_. Do you even **read** the stuff you cite? I knew you skeptics would read into it something you wanted to hear. I think she said basically that she was tired of trying to find evidence to disprove her experience of out-of-body, and now give up saying that it could be true. The war is over, but many battles will yet be fought. There is enough solid evidence and documentation available right now to change the mind of any serious researcher. In the future there will be considerable more. It is nothing new that man is spiritual. Over ninty percent of the world population has known that from the beginning of time. It is only in the last 30-50 years that “science” has challenged this fact. A foolish upstart in the ages of history. Eventually the false teachings of science will be reveal, and those caught up in it will be able to again use the spiritual tools available to them to cope with life. You will see suicides, depression, anxiety attacks, and many other spiritual maladies diminish. But for now, we will plod along doing what we can to help. ---
**Author:** ![SentientMeat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@SentientMeat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SentientMeat)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-a-creationist-doesnt-post-somethin/298715/156 "2005-04-15T13:55:33Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I think she said basically that she was tired of trying to find evidence to disprove her experience of out-of-body, and now give up saying that it could be true. Read it again. _All of it_. It says nothing of the sort. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-a-creationist-doesnt-post-somethin/298715/157 "2005-04-15T15:09:38Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > It is nothing new that man is spiritual. Over ninty percent of the world population has known that from the beginning of time. It is only in the last 30-50 years that “science” has challenged this fact. You say spiritual, I say superstitious. > [@lekatt](#): > > Eventually the false teachings of science will be reveal, and those caught up in it will be able to again use the spiritual tools available to them to cope with life. So you’re saying that making careful observations and writing down the results so you don’t have to rely on demonstrably poor recollections, is somehow false? Because that’s what science does, and how it differs from what humans have done previous to the age of science. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-a-creationist-doesnt-post-somethin/298715/158 "2005-04-15T16:09:32Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I knew you skeptics would read into it something you wanted to hear. > > I think she said basically that she was tired of trying to find evidence to disprove her experience of out-of-body, and now give up saying that it could be true. Here is the quote from Blackmore, repeated once again. > [@](#): > > Come to think of it, I feel slightly sad. Now follow along carefully. She said she is sad. Why do you suppose that is? [quote[It was just over thirty years ago that I had the dramatic out-of-body experience that convinced me of the reality of psychic phenomena…[/quote] Like some others she had a strange mentall aberration that convinced her that she had left her body. This lead her to believe that psychic phenomena as ordinarily defined, precognition, ESP and the like, are real. > [@](#): > > Just of few years of careful experiments changed all that. I found no psychic phenomena… So she began running experiments to try to nail down the assumed phenomena. But in all of her experimentation she found no evidence of such phenomena. > [@](#): > > I became a sceptic. She no longer thinks there is any such phenomena so she feels sad referring back to her opening statement. You are the one who had the experience. If you would conduct some valid tests maybe you could find something and wouldn’t have to rely on distortions and misquotations. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-a-creationist-doesnt-post-somethin/298715/159 "2005-04-15T16:13:10Z")
> [@SentientMeat](#): > > Read it again. _All of it_. > > It says nothing of the sort. I read it three times. She tried to prove psi, and she couldn’t, then she tried to disprove psi and she couldn’t so she gave up saying it could be real. I stand by what I said. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2005, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-a-creationist-doesnt-post-somethin/298715/160 "2005-04-15T16:14:33Z")
Let’s see if I can fix the coding in the middle of that last post. > [@](#): > > (Blackmore) It was just over thirty years ago that I had the dramatic out-of-body experience that convinced me of the reality of psychic phenomena… (Me) Like some others she had a strange mentall aberration that convinced her that she had left her body. This lead her to believe that psychic phenomena as ordinarily defined, precognition, ESP and the like, are real. > [@](#): > > Just of few years of careful experiments changed all that. I found no psychic phenomena… So she began running experiments to try to nail down the assumed phenomena. But in all of her experimentation she found no evidence of such phenomena. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-a-creationist-doesnt-post-somethin/298715.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-a-creationist-doesnt-post-somethin/298715.md?page=9)