How concerned are you about this Coronavirus?

Except that Captain trips had a 99% kill rate. Captain Trumps has about a 99% survival rate.

Captain Trumps is loose in California because of poor coordination with the Trump administration and the CDC, according to a whistleblower complaint:

Chris Hayes summarizes:

THE WHISTLEBLOWER WAS PUNISHED, GUYS! SOMEONE SAYING ‘THIS ISN’T THE CORRECT BIOHAZARD PROCEDURE’ WAS PUNISHED.

… is this in the Pit, yet?

Why are you shocked?

I mean, yes, I’m appalled and horrified and mad… but not surprised. Or shocked.

Trump punishes the messanger and never actually considers the problem. Then he hires someone who will tell him what he wants to hear regardless of whether or not that reflects actual reality. We’ve seen this over and over.

Just FYI, San Antonio got a number of the Captain Trumps patients as well, using the same procedures. I texted the Mayor about the new reporting… hope I didn’t ruin his day.

My company just put a moratorium on all plane travel, international and domestic. I don’t expect we’ll be alone on this.

My shares of Alpha Pro Tech have been skyrocketing. If they keep going up, I’m looking at potentially a pretty nice chunk of change. I bought last week when the shares were 6 to 7 dollars. Now it’s trading at $29.80.

… double post…

I plan to fly from Chicago to (whatever airport serves Conneticut) in October. Trump, genius, says this will blow over in the spring. I’m good then, right?

If it doesn’t blow over, he’ll bring out his Sharpie.

There are only somewhat over 900,000 hospital beds in the U.S. and about 2/3 are normally occupied. Assuming hospitalization lasts one to two weeks how do you expect there will be enough hospital beds available–and notice a significant number will need to be ICU beds?

2/3 occupied? In Toronto (and I suspect in much of the country), occupancy rates are seldom below 95 percent (and often over 100 percent, i.e. hallway medicine). I suppose we’ll use school gymnasiums (they’ll be closed anyway) and local hockey rinks.

I also expect that many healthcare workers will get infected making for a greater workload for those remaining well (at least to that point). And if SARS experience is anything to go by, some will overstate their ‘symptoms’ in order to fail screening and be turned away from work.

More fun news–you can be reinfected after having it once.

It will probably be quite messy.

It is very entertaining, cute even, to see you say that and then in the very next breath not do so! :slight_smile:

Meanwhile some interesting data to throw into the mix as the real infection mortality rate is figured out.

Currently outside of Hubei the confirmed case mortality rate (still far overweighted to testing the very sickest and not identifying the unknown number that are asymptomatic to moderately symptomatic with infections) is 176 deaths worldwide out of 17428 identified cases: 1%.

And a more interesting factoid out of a NYT article

Now small n but still that would be consistent with roughly 2% of the population being asymptomatically or minimally symptomatically infected in the Wuhan area (i.e. Hubei) … 1.2 million cases if the number is in fact that low. If THAT is all there is in that community (and is seems very low to me), and the reported death rate is reasonably accurate, then the true infection mortality rate is 0.2%. Not far off from the mortality rate in the 2018-19 influenza season in the United States(0.1%) and the 2017-18 season (0.14%). About 14% of the United States population was infected with influenza in the 2017-18 season.

Interpret how you will.
Surge capacity for pandemic illness is a real problem to be sure. It is actually true that the United States ranks best prepared in the world for pandemic preparedness it is only because everyone else does so poorly.

When we DO get a pandemic that significantly exceeds a bad influenza season much of the world will be not able to handle it unless they change current systems.

As to the Osaka woman - one, it is unclear yet if she was reinfected or if the disease was biphasic; two her symptoms have apparently been mild (sore throat and chest pain).

I wonder how the extreme cost of testing in the US will help this spread - the man in Florida who was worried about exposure and got tested ended up being charged over $3000 for testing, of which $1400 was not covered by insurance. I really don’t think food service workers are going to drop $1400-$3200 plus time off from work if they’re worried they have an infection, so will continue to go go in and make/serve food to people until they are physically unable to work.

I don’t think it’s yet established whether this is an aspect of COVID, an artifact of testing, or a hitch in the individual patients’ immune reactions. This Reuters article covers the possibilities through several patient case studies.

I subscribe to HARO (Help a Reporter Out) which is a place where people writing a story ask for sources. It is interesting in tracking what people are writing about.

This afternoon half the queries in the health section were virus related, including this one:

Which says nothing about medical issues, but maybe something about the psychology of the public. Which is going to impact the economy.

Calling for a tax cut to stop a virus may be Peak GOP.

FWIW, two articles released by the NEJM today (both free access) cite an overall mortality rate of “around one percent” and “1.4 percent”, respectively.

And since no one is claiming that people over age 60 do better than average, I’d say it’s looking pretty good that “the death rate for those over age 60 will be several percent.”

OTOH Dr. Drew is saying this is being overhyped by the press LINK

Then again later he still says its being overhyped while other medical concerns are not getting attention. LINK