How could loving, committed, Same-Sex marriages possibly bother you?

Err… I learned it in 2 separate issues of the Riverfront Times, an independant free paper in the St. Louis area. (I live in IL about 20 minutes from St. Louis) I checked the archives on their website and wasn’t able to find anything. But it’s true! It really is. In fact, the BBC did a show on the beastiality thing… which is what the article was based on. Apparently, MO just never got around to making a law against loving your animals, but they did feel it necessary to outlaw being gay.

Here’s the paper’s website, it’s the best I can do.
Riverfront Times

Actually, I live in the States… Even though the Gov’t and some bigots won’t recognize it, not one of my straight friends and neighbors has been anything but thrilled for us… I swear, they were more into planning the wedding than I was… I didn’t grow up expecting to get married, so I didn’t have a whole ceremony planned in my mind for 20 years like they did…
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Why does the majority of the gay population have a stick up thier ass? :rolleyes:

They(gay people) know their your doing is unnatural. If there is a hell, and they keep the “flamer attitude” that is notorious in the majority of the gay population, then i have no doubt they will burn in it. I’m not saying that all gays have this horrible, idiotic persona, but a huge chunk of their population does.

What would you think if you saw 2 male elephants going at it?

It’s freagin gross and anyone who makes this their lifestyle knows it. I bet more than half of the gay population wishes they could, for once in their lives, just get laid the all natural way. (they’ll never admit it though)

Why does the majority of the gay population have a stick up thier ass? :rolleyes:

They(gay people) know what their your doing is unnatural. If there is a hell, and they keep the “flamer attitude” that is notorious in the majority of the gay population, then i have no doubt they will burn in it. I’m not saying that all gays have this horrible, idiotic persona, but a huge chunk of their population does.

What would you think if you saw 2 male elephants going at it?

It’s freagin gross and anyone who makes this their lifestyle knows it. I bet more than half of the gay population wishes they could, for once in their lives, just get laid the all natural way. (they’ll never admit it though)

Your “marriage” is nothing but a bad joke. I applaud your commitment to each other.
But married? nope sorry. You are only pretending.

Hey! I don’t talk about your head, you don’t talk about my stick!

So it’s the effeminate behavior that’ll send us to Hell, not the actual sweaty gay sex?

“Don’t wanna get between THEM!”?

look deep down in the checked baggage section in the underbelly of my id

Um. Nope? Absolutely no desire whatsoever to actually have sex with a woman. None. Zilch. Zero. Never had it, never will. And just for your edification (I know you’ll have to look that up…), to me straight sex is at least as gross as gay sex is to you. Not to demean women, many of whom I love dearly, but it’s just NOT my cup of…well, tea.

This sentence is just beautiful. It’s not just ignorant but it shows many shades of ignorance. The spelling, the syntax and the content all so, so stupid.

I will, for the moment, concede that gays are not normal and that their type of sex is unnatural. So what? Why is it that you have an issue with someone not being normal and two consenting adults doing something that is unnatural. Why is it any business of yours?

I am a heterosexual man who has been married to a woman for nearly eleven years. I do not believe in special rights for anyone and I believe in equal rights and equal opportunities for all. Why shouldn’t two people of the same sex be allowed to enter into a marriage contract with one another? Don’t call it marriage, I don’t give a crap just as long as they have the same opportunity as we do.

Really, how does gay marriage negatively effect you?

Haj

Considering that animals have been observed to be gay (and to even have gay sex), homosexuality is, by definition, natural.

Of course, because we all know that being gay is cause for eternal torment and suffering. :rolleyes:

I think that, if anyone deserves eternal torment, it is those who wish eternal torment on others.

I’d think, “Those are two gay elephants”. In fact, seeing two gay elephants would not surprise me in the least, since animals other than humans have demonstrated homosexual behavior.

So people who make this their lifestyle think that they are being gross? I don’t think so, Tim. Just because you think it’s gross doesn’t mean too much. Me, I think that liver is gross. Does that mean that it’s a bad thing and that people should all stop eating it, or does it just mean that I don’t like liver?

I bet you’re wrong.

Whistle at the darkness, Quint, honey. Whistle away. Your kind become more irrelevant and disgust-inspiring every year. Whistle past the graveyard as you become a sick reminder of a time of disgusting prejudice, like Byron de la Beckwith and James Earl Ray.

Dunno about elephants, but from firsthand experience, I can tell you that watching a group of 600lb bullcalves trying to mount a 2400lb adult bull is really quite entertaining. :slight_smile:

Wow, look what the dog dragged in…

My marriage is a marriage in God’s eyes, the Church’s eyes, my eyes, my partner’s eyes, and all the people that matter to me…

What some bigot thinks of it means nothing to me…

And Augusta… I think I see why you’re confused… You’ve almost got the right shape, but it ain’t sticks we’re putting up our asses… Maybe if the phobes cared more about their own asses instead of ours, there’d be less hate in the world…

Laid the all natural way? Like free-range eggs? I’m sorry, I’m not into the sick sort of stuff that some of you hets get into… I prefer indoor sex… and my sex doesn’t include ova of any kind…

Survivor

Are you thinking that there’s no homosexuality in the wild? If so, you’re very wrong. Just about every species has been documented having homosexual/bisexual relations.

Here is just one of the hundreds of articles available online which discusses this. There are also quite a few books on the subject.

I suspect one of the reasons some people object to changing the definition of marriage is that they think it will open the floodgates to all sorts of group marriages. This would have some very interesting effects on the inheritance laws. I don’t think it would happen, but the belief the domino effect is not gone from America.
And augusta, please consider what you are asking for when you want things to be “natural”. Natural means frequents deaths in childbed, upwards to 50% infant mortality, and other unpleasant realities.

I’m afraid it’s time that i come to terms with the homosexual world. The gay jokes have all gotten old. i have a strong enough understanding of homosexuality to finally put this issue to rest. So let it be known that, I, John Harrison, from now on, will accept all homos as my earthly brethren. we will all have a super fabulous time cohabiting in peace and harmony.

-JH

I think the logic goes this way:

“Homosexuality is WRONG” - for whatever reason; religious teaching, “ick” factor, Dad always said them durn fags wuz evil, etc. Some folks just think it’s wrong, end of discussion. Bad for them, bad for you, bad for society.

“Marriage means societal blessing of the relationship” - Fairly valid statement.

“Gay marriage thus equals societal blessing of wrong behavior” - And that’s got to be even more wrong so we’d better start passing laws and amending the Constitution (!)

Nothing complicated in this once you get past the first bit. I certainly don’t agree with it but I think that’s the path being followed.

Me personally I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being gay and so I don’t have any problem at all with gay marriage. If two adults want to make a lifelong commitment to each other I think that we should be encouraging that, and having performed one wedding (and gearing up for the next) I’d be honored if any of my gay friends asked me to preside at theirs.

This is a difficult story to tell. It’s long, and I don’t want to reveal too much personal information, and it’s still going on, and it’s been the dominant theme in our lives here for months. But I think it illustrates a point, so I’m gonna take a whack at it.

A few weeks ago, my boyfriend got a call from his mother. His father was in jail. He’d been picked up on a warrant for outstanding child support payments. Eleven years’ worth of outstanding child support payments. For a child he’d fathered when he had an affair with a relative of his wife’s, eleven years before.

The affair had almost torn their marriage apart when it happened; my boyfriend was young then, and his parents’ anger spilled over onto him both emotionally and physically. He took care of his little sister, and weathered the bad times, and got through it, and grew up, and got good grades and a scholarship, and left that little town behind.

And now, all of that resurfaced. His father had known about the child support demands for years, and done nothing, preferring to drink instead. He may also be the father, as we find out, of two other kids by the same woman. His mother wanted a divorce. His sister was out of the country. His two younger siblings, still in high school and junior high, were witnessing all of this.

He went back home immediately. He helped his mother, held her, got her finances in order. We gave them money, we gave them a car. He visited his dad in jail, where his dad claimed that my boyfriend was obliged to get him out of this, because they hadn’t thrown him out of the house when he came out to them.

This all happened over the couse of weeks. A new crisis would rear its head every day. His mother discovered that the taxes on the house hadn’t been paid in years. His mother’s arthritis was so bad she had to quit her job. And so on.

For a while, we thought they’d be homeless, and we got ready to have them move in with us. For a longer while, we thought we’d have to take in one or both of their kids, and we made plans on how to rearrange our lives so as to be ready for that. We had my boyfriend’s younger brother here for a week.

My boyfriend was on the phone every night, up there every weekend. Meanwhile, my mother was dealing with my grandmother’s death. And I was doing everything I could to help them both; I was researcher, shoulder to cry on, source of strength, source of jokes, giver of perspective. I helped my boyfriend with the demons that all of this was raising for him, we talked long hours about how to deal with all the possible outcomes. There were a lot of tears, and a lot of stress.

His dad got out of jail, and has quit drinking, and has been going to work every day. He has a suspended license, and a massive debt hanging over him. His mother has decided against the divorce, and is looking for a job that she can do despite her health. It’s not over; the family is fragile, and we’re trying to convince them to try counseling, and we’re helping out where we can.

My mother is recovering from her mother’s death, which was really, really rough. We helped get her through it with an odd but effective combination of humor, support, and Netflix.

And now, his sister is back in the US, and staying with us, looking for an apartment for herself and her husband.

My boyfriend and I supported each other through all of this. We dealt with each others’ families, helped them, gave them everything they needed to get through their crises. We leaned on each other throughout all of this. We needed each other, we came through for each other, and loved each other deeply throughout this ordeal.

We’re married, just as sure as any couple who can legally fill out the paperwork is.

If we hadn’t been there, together, my boyfriend’s family might not have gotten through this. His mother might have lost her house, and had nowhere to bring her two kids. My mother certainly wouldn’t have had the same quality of support from me that she got; my boyfriend has made me a much better man. Together, we’re much stronger than either of us was apart. And for a time, we had the lives of all our families leaning on us, and we took that weight, and held.

We’re going to continue to be there for each other, and for the people we love. We will rely on each others’ strength to help us weather the hard times, and we will take joy and pride in each others’ achievements, and we will revel when times are good, and we will spend a lot of nights just laying around, watching movies and holding hands.

Funny thing, though. Just before all of this started happening, my boyfriend and I had to give up the idea of buying the house we currently rent. We both work, of course, and we could afford the payments and everything. The only problem was that the tax deduction for the interest payments wasn’t going to be sufficient to justify buying the place. Why? Well, we can’t file jointly.

We have all of the responsibilities that any married couple has, to each other, to society, to our families, to our friends. We have none of the essential legal recognition that makes life easier for married couples.

And there are ignorant idiots who call our marriage ‘pretend’.

Gay people stand by their mates, through thick and thin, the crises that come to all relationships, comprised of families and illnesses and deaths and children and jobs and money, and we do so knowing full well that there’s nothing keeping us from walking out. No marriage license. No ceremony. And most people expect our relationships to fail anyway, so there are no expectations.

When we join our lives together, we do so out of love.

We deserve the protections that the legal institute of marriage affords, to ourselves and to our children. The lack of those protections affects our lives deeply, negatively, constantly. The only foundation for denying us these rights, called fundamental by the supreme court of the US, is sheer and simple bigotry.

Sorry, MrVisible, but according to some of our friends on this thread and in Washington, your so-called “love” is phony, merely a sham of carnal lust. You’re going to Hell, you see, and we need you to keep sending your money into the black hole of rent because we need to defend our precious institutions against the corruption of “people” like YOU. Nono, it matters not what you think you “feel” towards this other guy; because you’re both guys, it can’t possibly be the pure love of, say, Elizabeth Taylor towards (insert any husband here).

(Man, I was typing all that in the spirit of satire, and I got disgusted after a couple of lines… How do the people who really believe that crap STAND it?)

Watch the personal insults, please.

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not a mod, a concerned citizen

JayJay, dear, take it from me: your id is right. Straight sex is gross. I still wake up screaming sometimes. :smiley:

Actually, Lawrence would most likely have struck down all cases of homosexuality being “illegal.”

All praise Lawrence !