# How DARE he park his plane there? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 1, 2015, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-he-park-his-plane-there/726743 "2015-08-01T19:17:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-he-park-his-plane-there/726743/61 "2015-08-04T13:43:07Z")
An airplane, in your own driveway, shouldn’t bother anyone?? I was annoyed until I saw how tiny the freakin thing was. Who the hell cares? I am far more annoyed by the goddamn camper van that parks in front of my house every year. I am of the opinion that if you buy one of those monstrosities it’s your problem where to park it. Just because I have extra space doesn’t mean you can park it in front of my house without even asking. But in your own driveway? Sure, whatever. Who cares? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-he-park-his-plane-there/726743/62 "2015-08-04T14:00:05Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > You realize that Morgenstern will now declare that you are not a pilot either, right? > > 😃 He doesn’t have a reputation as a dishonest person. ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-he-park-his-plane-there/726743/63 "2015-08-04T14:06:47Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > He doesn’t have a reputation as a dishonest person. As you’ve seen fit to re-open the Pit thread, I’m guessing you know it doesn’t belong here. Drop it. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-he-park-his-plane-there/726743/64 "2015-08-04T14:12:57Z")
While **Asimovian** is not a MSPSIMS mod (but we’d love to have him here :)), he’s correct. Take it to the Pit. > [@Morgenstern](#): > > He doesn’t have a reputation as a dishonest person. **Broomstick** You don’t need to bring this up either. > [@Broomstick](#): > > You realize that Morgenstern will now declare that you are not a pilot either, right? > > 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-he-park-his-plane-there/726743/65 "2015-08-04T14:41:34Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > An airplane, in your own driveway, shouldn’t bother anyone?? I was annoyed until I saw how tiny the freakin thing was. Who the hell cares? I agree, else I wouldn’t have started this thread. I would much rather see an airplane in a driveway than an RV. But I’m not calling to ban RVs from driveways. In this case, I see two issues: People say the airplane is an ‘eyesore’, and there is the problem of safety to the neighbours and the aircraft. I and others have pointed out that people can be hurt if they are careless around aircraft. This opens the owner up to liability. I’m also aware that airplanes are, in their way, fragile. This opens the owner up to potential repair bills that he cannot afford. Do I think it’s a good idea to park an airplane on a suburban street? No. But that’s not the issue at hand. The issue at hand is that the neighbours think it’s an ‘eyesore’; to which I must reply, ‘Where do _you_ get off? You have a 40-foot RV in your driveway, and _you_ have a 30-foot boat!’ If an airplane doesn’t ‘belong’ on someone’s own property, then you should park your boat at the marina and your RV at an RV storage lot. > [@Anaamika](#): > > I am far more annoyed by the goddamn camper van that parks in front of my house every year. I am of the opinion that if you buy one of those monstrosities it’s your problem where to park it. Just because I have extra space doesn’t mean you can park it in front of my house without even asking. Actually, it _does_ mean they can park it there. It’s a public street. I wouldn’t want a camper van parked in front of my house either, but there’s not much you can do about it in many places. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-he-park-his-plane-there/726743/66 "2015-08-04T15:02:28Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Actually, it _does_ mean they can park it there. It’s a public street. I wouldn’t want a camper van parked in front of my house either, but there’s not much you can do about it in many places. Oh, I know. It’s kind of annoying, because “in front of my house” actually means a strip of land, off the road, that is technically mine. However, there is enough room for an RV, and I don’t mind if people park their cars there occasionally (as long as they don’t block me in). Doesn’t mean it doesn’t still annoy me when I come out and this huge honking RV is parked in front, blocking the place I put my garbage bins out and taking up the space the mailman parks every day to deliver the mail. But yes, I have no legal recourse so I resort to dirty looks. Everyone else parks their RVs and boats in their own driveway, but this one family. It’s like dog owners. 99% of the dog owners clean up their poop! It’s that ONE DUDE, who of course has mastiffs, who lets them poop anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-he-park-his-plane-there/726743/67 "2015-08-04T22:39:37Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > It’s sort of alarming just how many ways you can hurt yourself with an airplane that’s not moving and not turned on. Hey, I wrenched by back once just pulling a 6-seater out of its hangar. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-he-park-his-plane-there/726743/68 "2015-08-05T01:33:56Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Hey, I wrenched by back once just pulling a 6-seater out of its hangar. Talk to your AME. There’s a [prescription for that](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAJIgTi4JRQ&width=640&height=480). ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-he-park-his-plane-there/726743/69 "2015-08-05T09:47:51Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Doesn’t mean it doesn’t still annoy me when I come out and this huge honking RV is parked in front, blocking the place I put my garbage bins out and taking up the space the mailman parks every day to deliver the mail. So you still haven’t taken [my advice?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16686976&postcount=50)😉 ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-he-park-his-plane-there/726743/70 "2015-08-05T15:14:40Z")
**Broomstick,** how did you get around the fact you’re color blind when obtaining your pilot’s license? ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-he-park-his-plane-there/726743/71 "2015-08-05T20:28:33Z")
Back in the day ( 1960’s ) when you had to be able to see 20/100 or some such without glasses to get an ATR, maybe even a commercial license as a pilot, my older sister could not do it. She got a wavier because due to her head shape & eye position, she had phenomenal peripheral vision. I have know several pilots with varying degrees of color blindness and at least one had a ‘daylight only’ restriction on his PVT license. The others I never knew or don’t remember. Remember this was back in the red light was the only instrument light in small aircraft… Also depends on which colors are affected I believe. Johnny LA likes to look this type of stuff up, maybe he will come buy and clear it up for us. I seem to recall that it is different today but I ain’t gonna go lookin. . ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-he-park-his-plane-there/726743/72 "2015-08-05T20:54:45Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > There are also records of people doing stuff like impaling an eyeball on an antennae, walking into pitot tubes, tripping over wheel struts, and doing other dumb stuff around airplanes. Get distracted, complacent, careless, any combination of them… accidents happen. Or a windstorm comes by and your poorly-tied-down aircraft becomes an unguided missile. Shit’s dangerous. Not in my neighborhood. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2015, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-he-park-his-plane-there/726743/73 "2015-08-05T23:08:48Z")
It’s pretty much a standard human characteristic to have hysterics over perceived dangers that may arise from unusual things, despite the dangers being no worse than would arise from ordinary things. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2015, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-he-park-his-plane-there/726743/74 "2015-08-06T14:22:06Z")
> [@GusNSpot](#): > > Johnny LA likes to look this type of stuff up, maybe he will come buy and clear it up for us. [Well, OK…](http://www.aopa.org/Pilot-Resources/Medical/Medical-Certification-and-Conditions/Vision/Members-Only-AOPA-Pilot-Information-Center-Vision-Color-Restriction-Removal) ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2015, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-he-park-his-plane-there/726743/75 "2015-08-06T19:02:11Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > [Well, OK…](http://www.aopa.org/Pilot-Resources/Medical/Medical-Certification-and-Conditions/Vision/Members-Only-AOPA-Pilot-Information-Center-Vision-Color-Restriction-Removal) Thanks… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2015, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-he-park-his-plane-there/726743/76 "2015-08-07T05:05:51Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > [Well, OK…](http://www.aopa.org/Pilot-Resources/Medical/Medical-Certification-and-Conditions/Vision/Members-Only-AOPA-Pilot-Information-Center-Vision-Color-Restriction-Removal) Just curious **Broomstick** , were you able to pass these color examinations or is your license restricted in some manner? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2015, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-he-park-his-plane-there/726743/77 "2015-08-09T20:08:55Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Actually, it _does_ mean they can park it there. It’s a public street. I wouldn’t want a camper van parked in front of my house either, but there’s not much you can do about it in many places. As long as they don’t block you in, prevent garbage pickups, prevent your mail from being delivered, block fire hydrants, etc… yeah, you can’t stop them from parking on a public street. Unfortunately, there are a non-zero number of idiots who do any or all of the above. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2015, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-he-park-his-plane-there/726743/78 "2015-08-09T20:16:08Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > **Broomstick,** how did you get around the fact you’re color blind when obtaining your pilot’s license? A SODA or Statement of Demonstrated Ability. Specifically, I have deuteranomalous trichromacy (which is probably not spelled exactly correctly), so while I don’t see green exactly the same as folks with normal color vision I still have some perception of it. It’s quite common for people with that to obtain SODA’s. Basically, they take you out to an actual airport tower and flash genuine light signals at you, such as would be used if, for example, your radio wasn’t working and the tower still needed to communicate with you. If you are actually able to correctly identify all such signals in such real world conditions you have Demonstrated your Ability to do so and thus are issued an official Statement saying you are not a safety hazard and have fun flying (Ok, not so much those last four words). I then carried it along with my license and medical whenever I flew. Had I not passed the test I would have still been allowed to fly in the day time and when/wherever light signals were not required. This is allowed under US rules - not all nations permit the colorblind to fly at all. Which leads to the interesting question of whether or not US pilots permitted to fly under such rules are permitted to fly in those nations. But that’s for another discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2015, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-he-park-his-plane-there/726743/79 "2015-08-09T20:37:43Z")
I will also note that I took my “extra color vision test” for the SODA in 1998, which predates the current rules in a couple of details. I was not offered alternative, less sensitive than Ishihara, color plate tests. Pretty much, the light gun signal test was my only option. Nor was I asked to prove I could read the colors on aeronautical charts (if you’re curious - yes I can, although I use an orange highlighter rather than a more common yellow one for marking routes because I can see it better). My form of color blindness is seldom reliably detectable outside of specialized testing and is minimally to not at all impairing. As an example, comic book artist John Byrne has a similar (or perhaps the same) color deficiency which has not stopped him from having a career in a color-intensive medium. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-he-park-his-plane-there/726743/80 "2015-08-10T20:48:22Z")
> [@usedtobe](#): > > it looks ridiculous, out of proportion, and is certain to be a kid magnet. What’s wrong exactly with it being a kid magnet. Is there something dangerous in a plane like this? That’s an honest question. It being a kid magnet would seem to me to be a plus rather than a minus, if anything. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-he-park-his-plane-there/726743.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-he-park-his-plane-there/726743.md?page=5)