# How dare the Grammys not give Beyonce every award! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 14, 2017, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-the-grammys-not-give-beyonce-every-award/779802 "2017-02-14T04:04:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-the-grammys-not-give-beyonce-every-award/779802/61 "2017-02-15T18:54:18Z")
Maybe I should turn it around. How many white winners in a row would it take before you would acknowledge an appearance of unfairness? 25? 30? 40? 50? 100? ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-the-grammys-not-give-beyonce-every-award/779802/62 "2017-02-15T19:52:39Z")
Quote: Well, she “could care less what you think.” One of my favorite nitpicks - its “_couldn’t_ care less” unless, of course, she really could. I like what Santana said (paraphrasing) - Adele is a musician, Beyonce is a model who can sing a little. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-the-grammys-not-give-beyonce-every-award/779802/63 "2017-02-15T20:09:34Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > The outrage was so weird I had to look it up and found that Beyonce has won\*\* twenty-two \*\*Grammy Awards. Twenty-two. (That does include awards won as a member of Destiny’s Child, but most are as a solo artist.) Gosh, it’s so upsetting that the woman who won 22 damn awards didn’t make it 24. It’s not that - it’s that, of the 22, **none** are in the “big three” performing categories (Album, Record, New Artist). She has one of the “big four” (Song), but for co-writing “Single Ladies.” Adele and Taylor Swift each have two Album of the Year Grammys; Adele also has two Record of the Year Grammys. Hmmm…here’s a thought; is it possible that they gave Album of the Year to Adele just so Taylor Swift wouldn’t be the only female singer to win the award twice for solo albums? ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-the-grammys-not-give-beyonce-every-award/779802/64 "2017-02-15T20:36:08Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > It’s not “fine” when we care more about celebrity “royalty” (and typing that made me want to puke) than we do about who’s running the country. …erm, do we? I don’t recall seeing any protesters out on the streets after the Grammys but I have seen a “few” since Trump was inaugurated. There are people in this country who will care more about celebrity than they do government no matter who is running the country and who are the most popular celebs. And there are many who will go out of their way to ignore celebrity and will de-facto care more about who’s running the country. And there are people who can enjoy CELEBRITY and care deeply about GOVERNMENT at the SAME TIME. I’m serious! If you have some sort of proof that a decent sample size of people are too distracted by celebrity royalty to care about government, then please present it and I will say “Oh my, that is a shame and the country is going to heck! HECK!!” But otherwise I will just nod and say “yes, some people will always ignore government. Whatcha gonna do?” And BTW I have seen zero outrage about Beyonce, at least in my little Liberal echo chamber of a Facebook account. People are rallying against Trump daily, and still talking about DAPL and still talking about cabinet confirmations and stuff. The only things I heard about the Grammys was some nutter I recently friended who was DISGUSTED by A Tribe Called Quest’s “shameful” performance “against Trump.” So I sit un-convinced that “we” care more about “celebrity royalty” than we do about who’s running the country. Maybe that was a problem in 1964, I dunno. Pretty sure “we” have the tools to watch both kingdoms these days. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-the-grammys-not-give-beyonce-every-award/779802/65 "2017-02-15T20:58:35Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > And BTW I have seen zero outrage about Beyonce, at least in my little Liberal echo chamber of a Facebook account. I agreed with most of your post, but this part surprised me. I thought [Slate](https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slate.com/articles/arts/music_box/2017/02/the_2017_grammys_weren_t_fair_to_beyonc_or_adele.html?client=ms-android-verizon) was required reading in the liberal bubble. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-the-grammys-not-give-beyonce-every-award/779802/66 "2017-02-15T21:05:45Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I agreed with most of your post, but this part surprised me. I thought [Slate](https://www.google.com/amp/amp.slate.com/articles/arts/music_box/2017/02/the_2017_grammys_weren_t_fair_to_beyonc_or_adele.html?client=ms-android-verizon) was required reading in the liberal bubble. Yeah, I rarely see links shared from Slate. Sometimes, but not nearly as much as WaPo, NYT or HuffPo. Every so often I hear about Slate as being the super-lefty-liberal-snowflake blog for the coffee house crowd, and I wonder why I don’t see it more. I guess my friends are too old? (late 30s) My friends are seriously het up about the government. Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-the-grammys-not-give-beyonce-every-award/779802/67 "2017-02-15T21:23:22Z")
Huh. I’m a bit older than you, though my wife’s in her early thirties so I see stuff from people all through their thirties and forties, plus some from my retired (very liberal) mom and her friends. All of whom are fired up against the government; but only in that last group do I see relatively little Slate. Go figure. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-the-grammys-not-give-beyonce-every-award/779802/68 "2017-02-15T21:24:08Z")
Wait… people still read Slate? And like 90% of my Facebook friends are pretty far left. (that being said, I did see some folks who rolled their eyes at the Grammys, not upset, just not surprised, but the vast majority of those folks were African-American) ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-the-grammys-not-give-beyonce-every-award/779802/69 "2017-02-15T21:37:49Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Wait… people still read Slate? Yes, they do. _Slate_ gets a little more traffic than my favorite site, _The Atlantic_, but not as much as _Politico_: [http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/slate.com](http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/slate.com) [http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/theatlantic.com](http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/theatlantic.com) [http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/politico.com](http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/politico.com) ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-the-grammys-not-give-beyonce-every-award/779802/70 "2017-02-15T21:43:22Z")
Obviously I was using hyperbole, but it doesn’t seem by much. Slate’s readership has really crated (223rd site in the US). Strange that viewership went down during the election (after a bump during… the conventions?). ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-the-grammys-not-give-beyonce-every-award/779802/71 "2017-02-15T23:26:23Z")
Then you must think _The Atlantic_ is doing terribly, which is not my impression at all. ---
**Author:** ![Celyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9dc877/32.png) [@Celyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celyn)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2017, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-the-grammys-not-give-beyonce-every-award/779802/72 "2017-02-15T23:31:55Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > … > [This rant](http://www.refinery29.com/2017/02/140924/beyonce-lemonade-racist-grammys-recording-academy) by a black female journalist exemplifies the current Grammies race card. Ludicrously she claims that black women will never be seen as equal to whites, and this after just having mentioned Oprah Winfrey, arguably the most powerful woman in all media. None so blind. Oh heck. That linked article includes this notion: > [@](#): > > **Beyoncé, arguably the most recognizable face on the planet** … . Now, I’m not sure if I would recognise her or not, and that’s fine, because I’m too old to be her target audience, but SURELY she’s not widely thought to be the most recognisable face on the planet? :dubious: Actually, it needn’t matter to her what prizes she gets or doesn’t, given that she seems to inspire such great devotion in her fans. ---
**Author:** ![Aeschines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aeschines/32/16251_2.png) [@Aeschines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aeschines)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-the-grammys-not-give-beyonce-every-award/779802/73 "2017-02-16T01:19:33Z")
> [@Celyn](#): > > Actually, it needn’t matter to her what prizes she gets or doesn’t, given that she seems to inspire such great devotion in her fans. Yeah, similar to Taylor Swift in that regard. Not sure what they get out of these “megastars.” ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-the-grammys-not-give-beyonce-every-award/779802/74 "2017-02-16T04:18:41Z")
> [@Celyn](#): > > Actually, it needn’t matter to her what prizes she gets or doesn’t, given that she seems to inspire such great devotion in her fans. That’s really a key point. She already has all the money, fame, and adulation anyone could possibly dream of. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-the-grammys-not-give-beyonce-every-award/779802/75 "2017-02-16T15:10:00Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Then you must think _The Atlantic_ is doing terribly, which is not my impression at all. Actually yes. Ever since Sullivan, Douthat, and Coates left, I haven’t even noticed it at all. > [@Celyn](#): > > SURELY she’s not widely thought to be the most recognisable face on the planet? :dubious: Aside from Queen Elizabeth II, Obama, and Trump, I’m not sure there is anyone alive more recognizable (Messi, maybe?). Now, granted, you may say that QE2, Obama, and Trump are far more recognizable, but Beyonce may be in the argument if she’s in the Top 5. I think there is an underestimation of how popular and acclaimed Beyonce actually is beyond her true believer fans. She was a #6 for Time’s Person of the Year in 2016, after all (behind only - Trump, Hillary Clinton, The Hackers, Recep Erdogan, and the CRISPR pioneers, the later being scientists using tools to alter human DNA to attempt to cure diseases) ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2017, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-the-grammys-not-give-beyonce-every-award/779802/76 "2017-02-16T16:28:41Z")
I would think a lot of actors would have more famous faces. Will Smith, Morgan Freeman, de Niro, Jackie Chan. Probably she’s top five amongst living musical artists [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-the-grammys-not-give-beyonce-every-award/779802.md?page=3)