# How DARE you speak two languages! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 10, 2005, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-you-speak-two-languages/334976 "2005-12-10T01:06:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-you-speak-two-languages/334976/61 "2005-12-11T19:29:34Z")
> [@Siege](#): > > **fushj00mang** , I was a resident alien for about 20 years from when my family moved here until I was naturalized after I graduated from college. My family’s English :dubious: Alright Siege, you can stay. For now. But no walkng on the “pavement” to avoid the “lorries”. And absolutly no going to the “loo”. We find any extra "u"s in your posts there’s going to be trouble . We speak American here, damnit!! ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-you-speak-two-languages/334976/62 "2005-12-11T21:20:14Z")
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know-Nothing\_movement](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know-Nothing_movement) In the fashion of the political movement, really. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-you-speak-two-languages/334976/63 "2005-12-11T21:27:36Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know-Nothing\_movement](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know-Nothing_movement) > In the fashion of the political movement, really. Yeah, I got it. But it’s worth noting that **fushj00mang** doesn’t know what he’s talking about either. ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-you-speak-two-languages/334976/64 "2005-12-12T02:40:21Z")
> [@fushj00mang](#): > > (after all, if you’re a citizen or a documented resident alien, your ‘legal status’ is anything but shaky.) As other here have said, “ **BWAAAHAHAHAHA!** ” Tell me, do you have to gamble your job, house and marriage once a year in a crapshoot based on whether some petty bureaucrat is having a hemorrhoid flare-up? Because that’s what I, as a legal, documented alien have to do every year (every three years now, actually) to renew my visa. I do it because the benefits outweigh the risks, but that doesn’t make it any less shaky. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-you-speak-two-languages/334976/65 "2005-12-12T03:37:18Z")
Every 3 years? Is that as a Permanent Resident Alien? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-you-speak-two-languages/334976/66 "2005-12-12T03:41:02Z")
> [@fushj00mang](#): > > When come back, bring arguement. No, you contemptible shit, I see no need to argue with you. Arguing with turds is the mark of a madman. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-you-speak-two-languages/334976/67 "2005-12-12T03:47:39Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Every 3 years? Is that as a Permanent Resident Alien? No, after about five years, they started approving me for 3-year versions of the same “humanities and international something-or-other specialist” visa that I’d had one-year versions of up until then. Currently, I’m on a spousal visa, which is also three years. Now that I’ve been here for ten years, I’m eligible for permanent residency, but I haven’t gotten around to applying for that yet. When I do eventually get it, I’ll start a ‘Turning Japanese’ thread in MPSIMS. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-you-speak-two-languages/334976/68 "2005-12-12T04:32:23Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > No, you contemptible shit, I see no need to argue with you. Arguing with turds is the mark of a madman. Actually, given that you didn’t advocate murdering people in your last post, I want to retract the venom contained herein. I still think your position is dumb, but it’s not nearly as contemptibly idiotic as your first post to this thread was. Nevertheless, I see no reason to argue with you. If you want an argument, go to Great Debates and start a new thread, and don’t start off by poisoning the well with atrocious nonsense like your first post in this thread. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-you-speak-two-languages/334976/69 "2005-12-12T05:26:14Z")
Thanks, Sublight. I had some interaction with the Yokohama Immigration Office. In my case, they were kind, considerate, and even helpful. The jerks who weren’t were the contemptible scum at the Philippine Embassy, and a particular Filipino Senior Chief Personnelman, about whom it would be a lie to say he’s as dishonest and unethical as the day is long. He’s worse than that. ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-you-speak-two-languages/334976/70 "2005-12-12T08:44:29Z")
To be honest, I haven’t had too much trouble in Japan. They weren’t always cheerful and polite\* but things got done within a reasonable amount of time without too much hassle. \*I used to live in Hamamatsu, in Shizuoka-ken. I think the government allocates funding for immigration issues based on local population, which is enough for Hamamatsu to rate a one-room office with three or four employees issuing visas. Owing to quirks of economics and culture, however, there’s an enormous Brazilian/Peruvian community there, which means that those four employees have to face a crowd of people lined up out the door, every single day from morning 'til night. Definitely not a very cheerful bunch, though I never had any complaint about their professionalism. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-you-speak-two-languages/334976/71 "2005-12-12T15:09:33Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > One of the joys of the Pit is how anything, no matter how stupid, will be defended by somebody here. My bet is **Clothahump** will be our brave knight in this thread. > > Daniel Kiss my ass, **Dorkness**. ---
**Author:** ![slaphead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@slaphead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slaphead)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-you-speak-two-languages/334976/72 "2005-12-12T16:38:51Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Kiss my ass, **Dorkness**. Pithy, but I think “Bese mi culo” would have been wittier. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-you-speak-two-languages/334976/73 "2005-12-12T16:42:48Z")
> [@slaphead](#): > > Pithy, but I think “Bese mi culo” would have been wittier. 😃 Indeed; I’ll expect witty from **Clothahump** around the same time I expect pineapple juice from my computer. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![slaphead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@slaphead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slaphead)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-you-speak-two-languages/334976/74 "2005-12-12T17:42:19Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > pineapple juice from my computer. Would you settle for [coffee](http://articles.pimprig.com/featured_pimprig/images/caffeine-img047.jpg) ? I just love that [pc mod](http://articles.pimprig.com/featured_pimprig/the_caffeine_machine.php?page=1), and I am on a mission to share it with as many people as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-you-speak-two-languages/334976/75 "2005-12-12T18:00:19Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Well, if you really wanted an argument about illegal immigration, why not start your own thread on the subject, rather than crapping all over this one with you irrelevant bullshit? Seconded. More or less what I was thinking and didn’t say. > [@fushj00mang](#): > > First, kudos for reading the article. Its usually a good idea to do so before entering any conversation or debate. Get a grip. I should have said re-read the article. It seemed you didn’t bother to read it in the first place given your ignorant remarks. And BTW, I’m hardly advocating that the situation for illegals is a good thing. As you point out that opens them up to being exploited by employers. What pisses me off is the way you automatcally associated Mexican + immigrant = illegal. You’re still a dimwit as far as I’m concerned. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-you-speak-two-languages/334976/76 "2005-12-12T18:10:03Z")
> [@betenoir](#): > > :dubious: Alright Siege, you can stay. For now. But no walkng on the “pavement” to avoid the “lorries”. And absolutly no going to the “loo”. We find any extra "u"s in your posts there’s going to be trouble . We speak American here, damnit!! This is the first post i’ve understood on here yet! 😛 Hmm. I wonder if **betenoir** ’s head can be 'sploded via "u"s… Honour! Colour! Valour! Bwahahhaah. Also, **fushj00mang** is worryingly cavalier with people’s lives. I suggest, for our own protection, we build a wall around him manned by highly trained snipers. ---
**Author:** ![JohnM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/848f3c/32.png) [@JohnM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnM)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-you-speak-two-languages/334976/77 "2005-12-12T19:21:28Z")
> [@Farmwoman](#): > > I did, however, want to point out that this is an alternative HS in Kansas. I don’t know what ‘alternative’ means in this case, but the alternative high schools I used to teach in were little more than holding pens for the kids who had been kicked out of regular schools for behavior/drug/crime issues. Looks like **Farmwoman** got it in one; there’s now a [news release](http://www.turnerusd202.org/TurnerRelease.mht) on the school district’s web site, which says in part: > [@](#): > > The Endeavor School is a haven for children who need the special time and attention that cannot be given in a regular comprehensive high school setting. The faculty and administrators of the Endeavor School are hard-working professionals who have dedicated their careers to ensuring that these deserving students get a second chance at receiving an education. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2005, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-you-speak-two-languages/334976/78 "2005-12-13T03:38:16Z")
> [@glee](#): > > Absolutely, old boy! When I see what you chaps have done to the language of Shakespeare…I also assume, as this is a school in Kansas, that I can’t say the English language has evolved :eek: > > By the way I’m English, not British. 😉 > > And from the original article: > > California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) made that point this summer when he vetoed a bill authorizing various academic subjects to be tested in Spanish in the state’s public schools. “As an immigrant,” the Austrian-born governor said, “I know the importance of mastering English as quickly and as comprehensively as possible.” > > When is he going to lose his Austrian accent then? 😕 He has lost a large amount of it. He’s actually had to have a dialect coach work with him to restore the accent, as it is a major part of the Schwarzenegger persona. People expect him to speak with the “Ah-nuld” accent and are disappointed when he doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2005, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-you-speak-two-languages/334976/79 "2005-12-13T03:45:41Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > Indeed; I’ll expect witty from **Clothahump** around the same time I expect pineapple juice from my computer. Better start sucking your keyboard then, **Dork**. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2005, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-you-speak-two-languages/334976/80 "2005-12-13T13:20:36Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Better start sucking your keyboard then, **Dork**. With all due respect, **Clothahump** , I’m not convinced you’re the best judge of witty, for the same reason that Geraldo Rivera isn’t on the Pulitzer Prize committee. Daniel [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-you-speak-two-languages/334976.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-dare-you-speak-two-languages/334976.md?page=5)