# How did conservatives create such a powerful grassroots movement recently

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**Created:** [August 14, 2010, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-conservatives-create-such-a-powerful-grassroots-movement-recently/550207 "2010-08-14T02:32:44Z")\
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**Post date:** [August 18, 2010, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-conservatives-create-such-a-powerful-grassroots-movement-recently/550207/186 "2010-08-18T12:32:02Z")

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> [@Shodan](#):
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> > [@Lobohan](#):
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> > I’m sure you’re not willfully misunderstanding this, so I suppose I need to keep trying to phrase this in a way you can understand.
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> > Obama has enacted policies that will lower the deficit. HCR lowers the deficit. Student loans lower the deficit.
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> > The deficit has risen during his term because of the Stimulus, Tarp and lowered tax revenue due to the recovery. Those things were necessary. You don’t think they were, but that’s because you don’t understand the issues. So the necessary things have increased the deficit, and things like HCR and the student loans will lower it.
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> > I’m sure that you can get this. Just try.
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> > See above.
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> > Again, you need to understand what has happened. The Stimulus, Tarp and the reduced revenues are things out of Obama’s control. They were necessary. If someone stabbed you and your wife opens up some gauze to plug your bleeding, that gauze money isn’t wasteful spending.
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> > I’m sorry that your news sources lie to you. I know you like to hear them. I know they make you feel happy and self-satisfied. But they’re just dreams. You need to wake up now.
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> > See above.
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> > It wasn’t a commitment, it was a prediction based on economic indicators available at the time. If you and me are on a road trip and you tell me that we have enough gas to get to the next town, but the sign that said it was 30 miles was wrong and it was 50 miles, it isn’t your fault.
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> > It’s not good evidence. The stimulus was utterly necessary. It saved us from a depression. What economists are arguing about is the size of the stimulus and the particular programs. Not that it was necessary.
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> > The jobs numbers didn’t perform as well because the economy was performing even worse than the estimates they based it on. That’s an argument for more stimulus, not less.
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> > As for reducing the deficit, let’s see what happens.
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> Too stupid; didn’t read.

That’s o.k.-we like you despite that. Would it help if he used smaller words?

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