# How did the bloody glove get to OJ's house? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 15, 2014, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-the-bloody-glove-get-to-ojs-house/686139 "2014-04-15T03:47:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![maximal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@maximal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maximal)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-the-bloody-glove-get-to-ojs-house/686139/181 "2016-01-05T02:21:45Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > …and is damn lucky that the thirteen policemen already on the scene all either (a) failed to spot the gloves or (b) decided to remain silent about the gloves’ disappearance from the crime scene. > > Yep, makes perfect sense. I don’t think it has been established that 13 cops preceded Fuhrman’s arrival to the crime scene and were walking around examining the bodies looking for evidence. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-the-bloody-glove-get-to-ojs-house/686139/182 "2016-01-05T05:40:46Z")
> [@maximal](#): > > I don’t think it has been established that 13 cops preceded Fuhrman’s arrival to the crime scene and were walking around examining the bodies looking for evidence. I’ve double checked and you’re right. There were 14 officers on the scene before Fuhrman showed up. My bad. > [@maximal](#): > > What if Fuhrman simply waited until he good establish Simpson’s whereabouts to drop the glove. Fuhrman hopped Simpson’s wall at 5:40AM - about 7-8 hours after the murders. The theory would go, Fuhrman waited until he could establish that OJ was home earlier that night (before he left for Chicago), and then dropped the glove. Of course in addition to the issue of Fuhrman allegedly planting evidence before knowing whether OJ had an alibi, there’s the problem that he was also planting evidence before knowing if there were any witnesses who had seen, for instance, someone looking nothing like OJ entering Nicole’s house shortly before the probable time of the murders. ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-the-bloody-glove-get-to-ojs-house/686139/183 "2016-01-05T12:31:19Z")
> [@maximal](#): > > I’m just trying to look at this objectively. Well, I’m afraid that you’ve failed already. Objectively, what’s harder to believe. That a jealous man who is pissed that his wife has left him and had already hit his wife previously, kills her, cutting himself, and leaving evidence of the crime at the scene, in his car and at his home. Or . . . That 10-20 cops frame him for some unknown reason, not knowing if he had a rock solid alibi for the crime that would instantly expose them all. Just looking at it objectively of course. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2016, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-the-bloody-glove-get-to-ojs-house/686139/184 "2016-01-05T13:17:10Z")
> [@maximal](#): > > It’s reasonable to assume that with the amount of blood at the crime scene, including 27 stab wounds and an obvious struggle with Goldman, and literally slashing Nicole’s head almost off her body, that he should have had blood all over him. This was even difficult for the prosecution to argue, which is why the came up with the story that before he slashed Nicole’s throat that he stood far back from her to avoid getting blood on himself. Reasonable based on what? A hunch? I have no idea how much blood to expect to transfer from a stabbing victim to their assailant, and I bet you don’t either. > [@maximal](#): > > Put another way, show me how he \*couldn’t" have been covered in blood after those two murders and the obvious huge struggle with Goldman. Hell even the prosecution says he left footprints at the crime scene. It’s your claim, not mine. My claims are detailed earlier in the thread. If you want to be believed, you’ll need evidence: similar stabbing cases, an experiment, an expert’s opinion, _something_. I mean, your whole argument depends on this one claim, after all. If you can’t establish a blood discrepancy, then you have nothing left. > [@maximal](#): > > He magically took those off and disposed of them while leaving basically a tiny trace of blood on the bronco? It doesn’t add up. Assuming you mean his shoes…the simple act of walking back to his vehicle would wear away a liquid adhering to his shoes, other than small traces. Also, changing shoes isn’t magic. ---
**Author:** ![maximal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@maximal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maximal)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-the-bloody-glove-get-to-ojs-house/686139/185 "2016-01-07T00:56:05Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > Well, I’m afraid that you’ve failed already. > > Objectively, what’s harder to believe. That a jealous man who is pissed that his wife has left him and had already hit his wife previously, kills her, cutting himself, and leaving evidence of the crime at the scene, in his car and at his home. > > Or . . . > > That 10-20 cops frame him for some unknown reason, not knowing if he had a rock solid alibi for the crime that would instantly expose them all. > > Just looking at it objectively of course. You don’t need 20 cops to all be in on it. You need one cop to do it and that’s it. And I haven’t failed. In actuality, I’ve read all the books and researched the testimony and the evidence at tremendous length. And there are some things about this case that just don’t add up. All I can look at is the evidence. Some of it points directly to OJ and some of it doesn’t. Do I believe if you get into a huge fight with someone and stab them 27 times that you would leave traces of blood in the bronco and at your house where you went after the murder? Yeah, I believe that. But Goldman’s blood was found nowhere but the crime scene and on the glove. Not in the bronco, not at OJ’s house. I can’t prove that this isn’t possible and neither can you. Maybe he managed to do it. But logic tells me that it would be an amazing feat. ---
**Author:** ![maximal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@maximal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maximal)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-the-bloody-glove-get-to-ojs-house/686139/186 "2016-01-07T01:02:47Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > Reasonable based on what? A hunch? I have no idea how much blood to expect to transfer from a stabbing victim to their assailant, and I bet you don’t either. > > It’s your claim, not mine. My claims are detailed earlier in the thread. If you want to be believed, you’ll need evidence: similar stabbing cases, an experiment, an expert’s opinion, _something_. I mean, your whole argument depends on this one claim, after all. If you can’t establish a blood discrepancy, then you have nothing left. > > Assuming you mean his shoes…the simple act of walking back to his vehicle would wear away a liquid adhering to his shoes, other than small traces. > > Also, changing shoes isn’t magic. Reasonable based on logic. When you stab someone, blood pours out of them. When they fight back at extremely close range as blood is poring out of them, blood will get on you. Do we really need to go do an experiment to prove that? Look at the crime scene photos. Research evidence from other stabbing murders. You get blood on you. ---
**Author:** ![maximal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@maximal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maximal)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-the-bloody-glove-get-to-ojs-house/686139/187 "2016-01-07T01:13:21Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > Well, I’m afraid that you’ve failed already. > > Objectively, what’s harder to believe. That a jealous man who is pissed that his wife has left him and had already hit his wife previously, kills her, cutting himself, and leaving evidence of the crime at the scene, in his car and at his home. > > Or . . . > > That 10-20 cops frame him for some unknown reason, not knowing if he had a rock solid alibi for the crime that would instantly expose them all. > > Just looking at it objectively of course. OJ has a flight to Chicago at 11:45PM. He goes to McDonald’s around 9ish and gets back around 9:45. His limo driver is coming in one hour. And he suddenly thinks to himself, for the next hour “I’m going to put on my nicest pair of expensive shoes, a dark suit, grab a pair of gloves, a hat, a sharp knife, and drive down to my ex wife’s condo smack in the middle of densely populated Brentwood, where my two young children are sleeping, and savagely murder her. Then, I’m going to drive back home, hide all of the evidence, clean myself up, head on out to the limo driver and catch my flight to Chicago.” Thinking objectively of course, you don’t find that patently absurd? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-the-bloody-glove-get-to-ojs-house/686139/188 "2016-01-07T01:49:46Z")
> [@maximal](#): > > Yeah, don’t ask what’s in it. And thankfully I brought a bag and a change of clothes when I went to murder them, and I went ahead and just changed next to the dead bodies so I didn’t get too much blood on the bronco. That wasn’t how the prosecution claimed it went. You’re making things up and attributing them to the prosecution. If I remember correctly, the claim is that he went home, changed, then took the bag with the bloody clothes to his lawyer to dispose of. That would have been the time he dropped the glove behind his guest house. The Bronco chase came later. In any case, I’d like to try to square my recollections with the actual prosecution’s claims, not your parody of them. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-the-bloody-glove-get-to-ojs-house/686139/189 "2016-01-07T02:14:02Z")
> [@maximal](#): > > But Goldman’s blood was found nowhere but the crime scene and on the glove. Not in the bronco, not at OJ’s house. From SPY magazine’s “1,000 Reasons the O.J. Trial Is the Most Absurd Event in the History of America”\*: #39. A DNA test confirmed blood found in O.J.'s Bronco came from Goldman, whom O.J. says he never met. \*Yeah, there’s more authoritative sources out there, but it’s still light years ahead of random JAQing off. ---
**Author:** ![urban1a](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e47c2d/32.png) [@urban1a](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/urban1a)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-the-bloody-glove-get-to-ojs-house/686139/190 "2016-01-07T02:45:02Z")
I was never able to get around the 20 minutes estimated by the prosecution between the time of the murder and OJs arrival home, having to dispose of bloody cloths, gloves and the knife. It was just never explained how he could have done all of this in the time they stated. In any case, they had a very poor case to present and it should have fallen apart. Bob ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-the-bloody-glove-get-to-ojs-house/686139/191 "2016-01-07T04:31:35Z")
> [@maximal](#): > > Reasonable based on logic. When you stab someone, blood pours out of them. When they fight back at extremely close range as blood is poring out of them, blood will get on you. Do we really need to go do an experiment to prove that? Look at the crime scene photos. Research evidence from other stabbing murders. You get blood on you. Sorry, but these are just your musings. How much blood? Where on Simpson’s body? Where were the victims positioned at the time they were bleeding? And so on for dozens of variables that, to the extent they can be tested or estimated at all, you’ve made no effort to account for. If you have evidence from other stabbing murders, by all means, present it. Don’t assume that it backs you up. ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-the-bloody-glove-get-to-ojs-house/686139/192 "2016-01-07T14:09:04Z")
> [@maximal](#): > > OJ has a flight to Chicago at 11:45PM. He goes to McDonald’s around 9ish and gets back around 9:45. His limo driver is coming in one hour. And he suddenly thinks to himself, for the next hour “I’m going to put on my nicest pair of expensive shoes, a dark suit, grab a pair of gloves, a hat, a sharp knife, and drive down to my ex wife’s condo smack in the middle of densely populated Brentwood, where my two young children are sleeping, and savagely murder her. Then, I’m going to drive back home, hide all of the evidence, clean myself up, head on out to the limo driver and catch my flight to Chicago.” > > Thinking objectively of course, you don’t find that patently absurd? What I find more patently absurd is 10-12 Police Officers framing a very famous guy who could easily have had an iron clad alibi due to long distance travel or being a public figure. Please answer my question. What happens if OJ has been in London for the last two weeks? The police are just going to take that chance? To your question, I could see O.J. pissed off and going over there to scream and yell at Nicole and scare her with a knife. When he saw her and Ron together he lost it in anger and killed them. Crime of passion, not a lot of planning ---
**Author:** ![maximal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@maximal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maximal)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-the-bloody-glove-get-to-ojs-house/686139/193 "2016-01-07T18:19:46Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > From SPY magazine’s “1,000 Reasons the O.J. Trial Is the Most Absurd Event in the History of America”\*: > > #39. A DNA test confirmed blood found in O.J.'s Bronco came from Goldman, whom O.J. says he never met. > \*Yeah, there’s more authoritative sources out there, but it’s still light years ahead of random JAQing off. That’s actually not factual - just a lazy writer how wrote a lazy article. Goldman’s blood wasn’t found in the Bronco, and the prosecution never claimed that as evidence in the case either. ---
**Author:** ![maximal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@maximal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/maximal)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-the-bloody-glove-get-to-ojs-house/686139/194 "2016-01-07T18:24:30Z")
> [@spifflog](#): > > What I find more patently absurd is 10-12 Police Officers framing a very famous guy who could easily have had an iron clad alibi due to long distance travel or being a public figure. Please answer my question. What happens if OJ has been in London for the last two weeks? The police are just going to take that chance? > > To your question, I could see O.J. pissed off and going over there to scream and yell at Nicole and scare her with a knife. When he saw her and Ron together he lost it in anger and killed them. Crime of passion, not a lot of planning A rage killing is more reasonable, but the prosecution said that’s not what happened. They said it was premeditated - he got back from McDonalds and decided to go kill his wife before his flight left. How else do you explain gloves and a cap in the middle of June in Los Angeles. If he went there to confront Nicole and it became a crime of passion then there shouldn’t be gloves or a hat. Second, I don’t know why you keep saying that 12 cops were in on a cover up. None of them were in on it. One cop, Fuhrman, did some shady stuff and took the 5th on the stand when asked if he planted evidence. A cop, on the stand, refuses to answer a direct question about whether he planted evidence. And again, he had 8 hours to figure out that Simpson wasn’t in London or Australia or anywhere else. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-the-bloody-glove-get-to-ojs-house/686139/195 "2016-01-07T19:03:06Z")
> [@maximal](#): > > That’s actually not factual - just a lazy writer how wrote a lazy article. Goldman’s blood wasn’t found in the Bronco, and the prosecution never claimed that as evidence in the case either. Yes, it was. [Cite #1](http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/index/nns25.htm) [Cite #2](http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19950518&slug=2121558) [Cite #3](https://books.google.com/books?id=gwDyBq2xLjIC&pg=PA37&lpg=PA37&dq=oj+simpson+bronco+dna&source=bl&ots=exQZ-AujaG&sig=IK7cB_zvoqt9z_DdhhogqVlkgWY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiZ1tGbspjKAhXEPCYKHYT6DeU4FBDoAQgwMAQ#v=onepage&q=oj%20simpson%20bronco%20dna&f=false) ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-the-bloody-glove-get-to-ojs-house/686139/196 "2016-01-07T19:13:21Z")
> [@maximal](#): > > If you believe the rest of the blood evidence was planted (especially the sock), you would have to believe that Fuhrman planted it the next day when the police had 8cm of OJ’s blood that he voluntarily gave them when they questioning him upon his return from Chicago. > > It’s not disputed that 1.5cm of that blood is missing, nor that there is a good explanation as to what happened to it. So, you would have to believe that the next day, Fuhrman conveniently dropped a few droplets of blood outside the house, in the foyer and on the sock. Remember, the blood at the house were droplets. The prosecution said droplets because OJ cut his hand during the murders. Yet still just a tiny trace in the Bronco. Circling back to this: A). The blood was drawn by Vannatter , who gave it to the LAPD criminologist Dennis Fung. Where, exactly, does Fuhrman somehow intercept the blood? B). Simpsons [admits that he bled all over his driveway and house](http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Simpson/OJSstmnt.html) during his initial interview with Vannatter and Lange. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-the-bloody-glove-get-to-ojs-house/686139/197 "2016-01-07T19:25:47Z")
> [@maximal](#): > > OJ has a flight to Chicago at 11:45PM. He goes to McDonald’s around 9ish and gets back around 9:45. His limo driver is coming in one hour. And he suddenly thinks to himself, for the next hour “I’m going to put on my nicest pair of expensive shoes, a dark suit, grab a pair of gloves, a hat, a sharp knife, and drive down to my ex wife’s condo smack in the middle of densely populated Brentwood, where my two young children are sleeping, and savagely murder her. Then, I’m going to drive back home, hide all of the evidence, clean myself up, head on out to the limo driver and catch my flight to Chicago.” > > Thinking objectively of course, you don’t find that patently absurd? No, I don’t. Nicole only lived about two miles away, and the limo driver testified that, contrary to his alibi, OJ was not home when the limo arrived at 10:22pm, and did not answer the door until 10:56pm. This is backed up by records of the cell phone calls the limo driver made to his boss. The limo driver also testified that he saw a black man, dressed in dark clothing, enter the house at 10:56pm, and shortly afterwards Simpson answered the door. > [@](#): > > [Phone records show, Ms. Clark told Judge Ito, that Mr. Simpson called his former wife from the Riviera Country Club in the Pacific Palisades neighborhood, where he had been playing cards, at 2:18 P.M. The two spoke for four minutes, she said, and a witness at the club told prosecutors that Mr. Simpson was “very angry and very upset” as he spoke](http://www.nytimes.com/1995/03/29/us/limousine-driver-deals-a-blow-to-simpson.html?pagewanted=all). You speculate that Fuhrman planted the glove. How did OJ’s blood get on the glove before OJ was in custody? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Sportsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Sportsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sportsfan)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-the-bloody-glove-get-to-ojs-house/686139/198 "2017-03-03T09:50:55Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, I don’t. Nicole only lived about two miles away, and the limo driver testified that, contrary to his alibi, OJ was not home when the limo arrived at 10:22pm, and did not answer the door until 10:56pm. This is backed up by records of the cell phone calls the limo driver made to his boss. > > The limo driver also testified that he saw a black man, dressed in dark clothing, enter the house at 10:56pm, and shortly afterwards Simpson answered the door. > You speculate that Fuhrman planted the glove. How did OJ’s blood get on the glove before OJ was in custody? > > Regards, > Shodan One theory is this. OJ did it. He was also framed. First, Fuhrman already knew there was domestic abuse form a previous call at Rockingham. Obviously when Nicole was found, his first thought was OJ did it. From the timeline of the detectives that morning it looks like they arrived at Rockingham around 5 am. The had talked to OJ’s relative, and probably knew OJ was in Chicago and had left around 11 the previous night. Here’s the CNN timeline: \*About 5 a.m. - Detectives Mark Fuhrman and Philip Vannatter arrive at Simpson’s house. 5:15-5:30 a.m. - The detectives examine an apparent bloodstain on Simpson’s Ford Bronco. 5:40 a.m. to 5:50 a.m. - Detective Fuhrman decided to jump the wall in order for police to get inside the estate. Once on the grounds, the detectives awaken Simpson’s daughter, Arnelle, who is staying in a guest house. She takes the police to the house and telephones Cathy Randa, her father’s longtime assistant. 7 am-7:30 a.m. - Detective Vannatter declared the area a crime scene and goes to get a warrant to search the house.\* So by 5:50 am, they know OJ was there at the time of the murders. Only then does Fuhrman disappear for about 15 minutes…finding the glove. So it’s physically POSSIBLE that he planted the glove. The facts show he had the knowledge that OJ was there at the time of the murders, and the motive and opportunity to plant the glove. He had also talked to to Kato Kaelin to know about the thumps on the wall behind the guest house. OJ likely did it, but it’s _also_ possible Fuhrman planted the glove. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2017, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-the-bloody-glove-get-to-ojs-house/686139/199 "2017-03-03T13:23:44Z")
> [@Sportsfan](#): > > One theory is this. > > OJ did it. He was also framed. > > First, Fuhrman already knew there was domestic abuse form a previous call at Rockingham. Obviously when Nicole was found, his first thought was OJ did it. > > From the timeline of the detectives that morning it looks like they arrived at Rockingham around 5 am. The had talked to OJ’s relative, and probably knew OJ was in Chicago and had left around 11 the previous night. > > Here’s the CNN timeline: > > \*About 5 a.m. - Detectives Mark Fuhrman and Philip Vannatter arrive at Simpson’s house. > > 5:15-5:30 a.m. - The detectives examine an apparent bloodstain on Simpson’s Ford Bronco. > > 5:40 a.m. to 5:50 a.m. - Detective Fuhrman decided to jump the wall in order for police to get inside the estate. Once on the grounds, the detectives awaken Simpson’s daughter, Arnelle, who is staying in a guest house. She takes the police to the house and telephones Cathy Randa, her father’s longtime assistant. > > 7 am-7:30 a.m. - Detective Vannatter declared the area a crime scene and goes to get a warrant to search the house.\* > > So by 5:50 am, they know OJ was there at the time of the murders. Only then does Fuhrman disappear for about 15 minutes…finding the glove. > > So it’s physically POSSIBLE that he planted the glove. The facts show he had the knowledge that OJ was there at the time of the murders, and the motive and opportunity to plant the glove. > > He had also talked to to Kato Kaelin to know about the thumps on the wall behind the guest house. > > OJ likely did it, but it’s _also_ possible Fuhrman planted the glove. Fuhrman was 20 year seasoned detective. This is not like planting dope on the local scumbag. This was OJ. Fuhrman would know that he would hire expensive attorneys to investigate the entire crime scene. What happens if Fuhrman rings the buzzer at OJ’s front gate and OJ answers, and there are 20 guests who have seen OJ there all night during some sort of gathering? Fuhrman then just throws the glove away later, compromising the entire murder scene and likely never catching the real killer? What if the scenario played out as it did in real life, but it turned out to be Ron Goldman’s associate who followed him to Nicole’s house and killed them both? What if this associate’s DNA was found on the glove after Fuhrman plants it? How does Fuhrman explain the glove being at OJ’s house? I don’t doubt that Fuhrman was capable of planting evidence. He simply had no reasonable opportunity to do so in this case given all of the facts. ---
**Author:** ![Sportsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@Sportsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sportsfan)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2017, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-the-bloody-glove-get-to-ojs-house/686139/200 "2017-03-04T06:28:22Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Fuhrman was 20 year seasoned detective. This is not like planting dope on the local scumbag. This was OJ. Fuhrman would know that he would hire expensive attorneys to investigate the entire crime scene. > > What happens if Fuhrman rings the buzzer at OJ’s front gate and OJ answers, and there are 20 guests who have seen OJ there all night during some sort of gathering? Fuhrman then just throws the glove away later, compromising the entire murder scene and likely never catching the real killer? > > He knew they would probably catch OJ anyway. Worth the chance in Fuhrman’s mind. > > What if the scenario played out as it did in real life, but it turned out to be Ron Goldman’s associate who followed him to Nicole’s house and killed them both? What if this associate’s DNA was found on the glove after Fuhrman plants it? How does Fuhrman explain the glove being at OJ’s house? > > You are assuming a rational person, which Fuhrman is not. Also the chances of the scenario you describe are slim in Fuhrman’s mind. And remember, Fuhrman knows OJ has a history of abuse with Nicole, and clearly has racist thoughts. He’s betting OJ did it. > > I don’t doubt that Fuhrman was capable of planting evidence. He simply had no reasonable opportunity to do so in this case given all of the facts. This one you are wrong, the timeline shows had had the physical opportunity to plant the glove. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-the-bloody-glove-get-to-ojs-house/686139.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-the-bloody-glove-get-to-ojs-house/686139.md?page=11)