# How did Trump get so many Hispanic voters? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2016, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-trump-get-so-many-hispanic-voters/771133 "2016-11-09T05:07:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-trump-get-so-many-hispanic-voters/771133/1 "2016-11-09T05:07:01Z")
Okay, I just ranted in the Pit about low-education whites. But at least I can comprehend why they might do something this ridiculous. This, however, from the 538 blog, is just utterly mystifying: “Clinton is only at 65 percent among Latinos. Obama won 71 percent of them.” What. The. Fuck. :eek: So Trump’s got the power to mesmerize Hispanics also, along the line of the “Fifth Avenue shooting” bit? How on Earth can this be so? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-trump-get-so-many-hispanic-voters/771133/2 "2016-11-09T05:18:13Z")
I heard he did better than average among black voters too. I’m not sure. We will have to wait until the exit polls come out. ---
**Author:** ![TheStake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecae2f/32.png) [@TheStake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheStake)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-trump-get-so-many-hispanic-voters/771133/3 "2016-11-09T05:19:19Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Okay, I just ranted in the Pit about low-education whites. But at least I can comprehend why they might do something this ridiculous. This, however, from the 538 blog, is just utterly mystifying: > > “Clinton is only at 65 percent among Latinos. Obama won 71 percent of them.” > > What. The. Fuck. :eek: > > So Trump’s got the power to mesmerize Hispanics also, along the line of the “Fifth Avenue shooting” bit? How on Earth can this be so? 😕 My family is all Filipino, and they are liberal as all hell. This election most of them voted for Trump, because illegal immigrants makes the job market more difficult on them. I think it is safe to assume that immigrants that get over here legally would be tired of losing jobs to people that broke the rules. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-trump-get-so-many-hispanic-voters/771133/4 "2016-11-09T05:19:36Z")
“We worked our asses off and spent a lot of time and money becoming citizens”/“we were born here” + “fuck illegals!” ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-trump-get-so-many-hispanic-voters/771133/5 "2016-11-09T05:19:37Z")
because the older latinos (4th or 5th gen ) don’t want or like the new ones crossing the border… I was surprised how many latinos wanted that prop 187 we had here in CA to be law "sure my grandpa wasn’t a citizen but my dad was and he worked all the “wetback” jobs just so I could go to school and college and those bastards come over here and get free handouts from me and mine ? F’em " ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-trump-get-so-many-hispanic-voters/771133/6 "2016-11-09T05:35:33Z")
> [@TheStake](#): > > My family is all Filipino, and they are liberal as all hell. This election most of them voted for Trump, because illegal immigrants makes the job market more difficult on them. I think it is safe to assume that immigrants that get over here legally would be tired of losing jobs to people that broke the rules. A lot of people are in an illegal/deportable situation at least part of the time while immigrating legally, thanks to how bad the US government is at things like giving people a way to track where they are in the process, incompatible regulations, or companies which use the system to blackmail their workers. Until that gets fixed, it’s pretty rich to say “I got through that ditch without being eaten by gators, now you’re not allowed to swim”. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-trump-get-so-many-hispanic-voters/771133/7 "2016-11-09T05:42:35Z")
WAG: Trump did a lot better with white people, and a bunch of Hispanic Americans are white. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-trump-get-so-many-hispanic-voters/771133/8 "2016-11-09T05:44:26Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > A lot of people are in an illegal/deportable situation at least part of the time while immigrating legally, thanks to how bad the US government is at things like giving people a way to track where they are in the process, incompatible regulations, or companies which use the system to blackmail their workers. Until that gets fixed, it’s pretty rich to say “I got through that ditch without being eaten by gators, now you’re not allowed to swim”. You’re jogging my memory that although I’m stunned it has started to happen this quickly, I posted a thread just eighteen days ago titled [The 22nd Century Trump may be brown-skinned, named “Jorge”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=808064). My concluding sentence: > [@](#): > > Everyone wants to be the last group in and to pull up the ladder behind them. FFS. People are so disappointing. ☹ ETA: > [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > WAG: Trump did a lot better with white people, and a bunch of Hispanic Americans are white. But usually, what we call “white people” are defined by demographers as “non-Hispanic whites”. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-trump-get-so-many-hispanic-voters/771133/9 "2016-11-09T05:46:36Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > because the older latinos (4th or 5th gen ) don’t want or like the new ones crossing the border… I was surprised how many latinos wanted that prop 187 we had here in CA to be law > > "sure my grandpa wasn’t a citizen but my dad was and he worked all the “wetback” jobs just so I could go to school and college and those bastards come over here and get free handouts from me and mine ? F’em " you got a good point; Democrats got very arrogant over demographic movement in their direction. He lost the Hispanic vote by less than Romney. Romney lost it by 44%; Trump, [apparently has only lost](http://www.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls/national/president) it by 36%. And I said to some people here that Democrats ought to watch out, given how Hispanics are [seeing themselves as white as time goes by](http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/22/upshot/more-hispanics-declaring-themselves-white.html). Identity politics has a limit. Obama pushed it there. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-trump-get-so-many-hispanic-voters/771133/10 "2016-11-09T06:02:11Z")
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: blacks, hispanics and women are not the tree hugging liberals you think they are. Whites do not have a corner on the conservative, religious ignorance market. Never have. Have you never actually known any blacks, hispanics and women? I have. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-trump-get-so-many-hispanic-voters/771133/11 "2016-11-09T06:04:11Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > But usually, what we call “white people” are defined by demographers as “non-Hispanic whites”. But for some Hispanic whites, whiteness is a bigger part of their identity than their grandparent whose last name ended in Z. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-trump-get-so-many-hispanic-voters/771133/12 "2016-11-09T06:30:27Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > But for some Hispanic whites, whiteness is a bigger part of their identity than their grandparent whose last name ended in Z. Because abuelo WAS “white”. By the definition in the home culture. People in Latin America with more Spanish or other-european ancestors than Indian or black ones, call themselves “white”. And historically, acted accordingly, imposing their will on nonwhites. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-trump-get-so-many-hispanic-voters/771133/13 "2016-11-09T06:32:32Z")
I think I just saw exit polls saying Trump got 30% of the non-white vote. Seeing how the non-white vote is mostly black and latino, that is shocking. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-trump-get-so-many-hispanic-voters/771133/14 "2016-11-09T06:35:27Z")
Where does this data comes from? Is it nationwide or does it only come from exit polling (which is not being done nationwide, AFAIK)? Because some of the Hispanic-heavy states won’t be getting exit polls, which means that Hispanic residents of Florida (i.e. Cuban-Americans) will probably be an outsized share of the Hispanic sample in exits. ---
**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-trump-get-so-many-hispanic-voters/771133/15 "2016-11-09T06:37:16Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > I heard he did better than average among black voters too. > > I’m not sure. We will have to wait until the exit polls come out. Considering how much the early exit polls got wrong, I’m more a wait and see attitude. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-trump-get-so-many-hispanic-voters/771133/16 "2016-11-09T06:37:51Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: blacks, hispanics and women are not the tree hugging liberals you think they are. Whites do not have a corner on the conservative, religious ignorance market. Never have. Have you never actually known any blacks, hispanics and women? I have. You might have a point. One interesting stat I read years ago is that despite the fact that white men are the most likely to call themselves “very conservative”, they are also the demographic group most likely to self-label as “very _liberal_”. The former group is obviously much larger; but the point being that among a group of “very liberal” (“progressive”, “hard left”, “democratic socialist”) people, white men will actually make up a disproportionately high share. > [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > But for some Hispanic whites, whiteness is a bigger part of their identity than their grandparent whose last name ended in Z. Do such people even identify themselves as Hispanic on surveys though? ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-trump-get-so-many-hispanic-voters/771133/17 "2016-11-09T07:03:12Z")
Hispanics generally have a religious, patriarchal, pro-family, blue collar sorta culture, no? Not exactly natural members of the blue tribe, outside the sense the GOP is against them. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-trump-get-so-many-hispanic-voters/771133/18 "2016-11-09T07:07:31Z")
Hillary Clinton is a **woman**. Hispanic culture is extremely machismo-oriented, embracing traditional gender roles. _Of course_ they’re not keen on having a woman as CIC. I know some people here think we have this “progressive” thing going where since we elected the first black president, we would then end up electing the first woman president, the first left-handed Muslim lesbian transgendered president, etc. all in rapid succession as part of the inevitable “march of progress”, and the issue of her gender wasn’t a big deal at all. It just doesn’t work that way. (and by the way, Bernie would have won. RIP Bernie) ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-trump-get-so-many-hispanic-voters/771133/19 "2016-11-09T07:08:34Z")
By not being a condescending douchebag like Hillary who talks to them like they’re slightly slow children\*. People prefer an honest racist to a dishonest, condescending one. (remember Hillary’s “Ay am yusssst like your abulea, senors and senoras” comments to name one example?\*) \*[Hillary Clinton Is ‘Not My Abuela,’ Critics Say - The New York Times](http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/24/us/politics/hillary-clinton-is-not-my-abuela-critics-say.html) ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-trump-get-so-many-hispanic-voters/771133/20 "2016-11-09T07:17:03Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Hillary Clinton is a **woman**. Hispanic culture is extremely machismo-oriented, embracing traditional gender roles. _Of course_ they’re not keen on having a woman as CIC. > > I know some people here think we have this “progressive” thing going where since we elected the first black president, we would then end up electing the first woman president, the first left-handed Muslim lesbian transgendered president, etc. all in rapid succession as part of the inevitable “march of progress”, and the issue of her gender wasn’t a big deal at all. > > It just doesn’t work that way. > > (and by the way, Bernie would have won. RIP Bernie) Wow, really? Can you not just admit that not every minority suffers from group think? Maybe they think Trump better represents their interests? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-did-trump-get-so-many-hispanic-voters/771133.md?page=2)