how do Americans regard California?

im american, i’ll answer the question!

i lived in so cal for about 6 years and i think it (the state and the area) sucks! full of shallow, flakey bimbos who don’t know how to drive. its all style over substance. the bozos in showbiz actually think they are doing something important for humanity! the laws are intrusive and overbearing. the DMV? I won’t even discuss it! most of the state is too hot and dry.

you know why the trees bend west in nevada? california sucks!

of course, this is just my opinion and not representitive of all of us! actually, the sierras and most of northern california areas are beautiful (except for the people). Lake Tahoe is a national treasure (even if the prettiest parts are Nevada’s east shoreline…)

go ahead californians, roast me!

Naw, don’t worry. Southern California doesn’t really count as California in the first place.

Keeping it cool in Santa Cruz.

“I sure could use a vacation from this bullshit three ring circus sideshow of Freaks here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA The only way to fix it is to flush it all away. Any fucking time. Any fucking day. Learn to swim, I’ll see you down in Arizona bay.”

This is taken from a Tool song called “Aenima”. I don’t really care much about what California does or doesn’t do, but it’s pretty clear from these words that some people (such as the members of Tool who are LA residents, btw) really resent it.

Many of us think the average SoCal (and Frisco Bay non-Silcon Valley area) IQ registers in the mid to upper double digits, that their politics are goofy socialist, their only contribution to culture is the distorted news broadcast and high speed chase. We also hope the cool people exodus and that the rest of the state falls into the ocean as quickly as possible.

Your mileage may vary.

I have now lived in Santa Cruz, CA for about 6 months now. I moved here from the midwest due to hubby’s job. Here are my first impressions. The weather has been perfect. Rain? I don’t remember what that is :slight_smile: I love the ocean and the mountains and the redwoods.

But…it is sooo expensive. I’m paying $1425 for a one-bedroom apartment. In Columbus, OH, I paid $465. That’s my main beef. Also, it has been hard getting used to the “hang loose” attitude. Service people don’t rush to wait on you at all, and people walking in the street downtown seem to go at a snail’s pace. Also, the traffic can be horrid in a tourist town. Finally, I do miss the seasons. I want to see more leaves changing color. And I woudn’t mind a little snow once in a while. But maybe I’m just homesick right now.

Some people do think of California as some kind of paradise. When I told people in Ohio I was moving to California, many expressed jeolousy and couldn’t believe it when I said I would miss them. But other people dwell on the earthquakes. Like anywhere else, there is good and bad.

Southern California is the closest thing to Heaven in the United States. It’s not perfect (no place is), but it comes the closest.

People who can, live here.
People who can’t, are jealous of those of us who do. :slight_smile: Northern Californians are the worst, probably because we’re so tantalizingly close and yet so unreachable. :smiley:

Not everyone in Southern California is fit and perfect, but even those who aren’t are laid-back and mellow, so we’re all happy anyway.

Nothing drives the rest of the US into foaming frenzies of jealousy more than waking up on New Year’s morning, freezing through six sweaters, and turning on the TV to see Southern Californians frolicking in T-shirts and denim shorts in the Pasedena Rose Parade.

Texas is full of gun-totin’ crazies, and Florida is full of weirdos. These two facts explain “President” George W. Bush. :wink:

The only other state that comes close to Southern California for blissful perfection is Hawaii, whose folks can occassionally out-mellow a native SoCal resident. :slight_smile: Unfortunately, you can’t go from the beach to the ski resort in Hawaii, so it loses points. :wink:

And if non-Southern-Californians aren’t seething with jealousy before, they will after they read this message. :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

Oh God, another one of 'em! I spent four years of college in SoCal, and I mostly came out of it with a much greater appreciation of the Northwest. [sub]Although the Bay area is almost as good[/sub]

So that’s okay, rjung et al, live in your little fantasy land [sub]did I mention it’s brown and hot and dry and ugly?[/sub]. Please! Too many of you have moved up to Washington as it is. We don’t want you! :stuck_out_tongue:

[old joke]
A Texan, a Californian, and a Washingtonion were camping in the woods.

By the campfire after dark, the Texan opened a bottle of Yukon Jack, took a swig, threw the bottle into the air, pulled out a double barrel shotgun and blew the bottle to pieces.

The Washingtonian looked at him and asked, “Why didn’t you finish it?”

The Texan replied, “It’s okay, we’ve got plenty of Yukon Jack where I come from.”

The Californian then pulled out a bottle of Cabernet, took a sip, threw the rest in the air, pulled out a 38 special and shot the bottle. The Californian then looked around and said, “That’s okay, we’ve got plenty more in Carlifornia.”

The Washingtonian then pulled out a bottle of Microbrewery Ale, drank it all down, tossed the empty bottle into the air, pulled out a pistol, shot the Californian, and caught the bottle.

He looked over at the Texan and said, “It’s okay, we’ve got plenty of Californians in Washington, but I have to recycle this bottle.” :smiley:
[/old joke]

I was in Washnington a few months ago and I got subjected to an anti-California rant.

In retaliation, I tried to come up with an anti-Washingtonian rant. Couldn’t think of one. Couldn’t think of a rant against any other state, really. California is so perfect that we don’t really worry about the rest of the country.

Ah, not so. Having been a new-englander all my life, I hold no delusions about the desirablity to live in a place that has four seasons: Summer, Almost Winter, Winter, and Still Winter. We had snow on the ground for five months solid, no thaws, this past year. It’s the type of place people visit to ski and leaf peep, but not too many people, at least not people who aren’t suffering under romanticized musings about rural living, seriously consider moving here from other parts of the country(from one NE state to the other, on the other hand, is common.) Which suits us find- this is no place for soft folk. They don’t envy us…but that doesn’t mean we’re not better than them anyway :slight_smile:

NH’s other state motto: Go Away and Leave Us the Hell Alone

It is? Gee, awfully humid for a dry heat, then, especially since the beach is just fifteen minutes away. And the only brown I see here is the dirt in my wife’s garden…

Who in their right mind would want to move to Washington? :eek: I mean, hell, Microsoft is up there – that practically makes the entire state a toxic waste dump! Even folks in New Jersey feel sorry for you! :smiley:

Good God, man, look! Up in the sky! See that gorgeous bright red sunset? It’s all the smog, eh? I can remember many a day when Mt Baldy, a bike ride away, wasn’t visible against the sky because they were the same color: brown! And it took me two YEARS to see the mountains to the south… It’s brown, I tell you, brown! :smiley:

Ok, that hurt. :slight_smile:

You know how Florida is the penis of the nation? Well, that would make California the ass. Michigan is of course the hand of the nation, Maine the unusually shaped head of the nation, and Alaska is the coon-skin cap of the nation.
America has no legs, just the stump we call Texas.

I love reading the SoCal stereotypes, because they almost exclusively pertain to teh Hollywood culture. The fact is that mosst Southlanders have normal 9 to 5 jobs, kids, friends and all that fun stuff. Except for the smog, it is beautiful, mountains all over and the ocean nearby. It is wonderfully diverse, filled with culture. I know a lot of the posting is hyperbole (i.e. double digit IQs, I am sure the folks at Cal Tech will find that ineresting; Doyou know where the Internet was 'invented"?). I have lived in the Midwest and the East Coast and I was prepared for all the usual L.A. stuff…shallowness, stupidity, flakiness. But I haven’t really found it, it’s really much more like every place else…with better weather and far more diversity than most places.

[Archie Bunker]

California is the land of fruit and nuts. All the nuts are a little fruity, and all the fruits are a little nutty.

[/Archie Bunker]

I visited California this summer and was not impressed. I live in Ohio and would not trade our ice storms and miserable and cold winters for all year warm weather in California. I like the changes in the seasons.

Another native Californian here. My history: lived in LA until I was eight, then in a very small rural town named Avenal for three years, and for the past seven or eight years in the Central Valley, mostly in Fresno. I also spent about three months at college in San Luis Obispo (Central Coast).

California is very different in different regions. North/South, East/West, urban/rural all make a difference. Personally, I much prefer LA and San Francisco to Fresno, but no one has really descrbed the Central Valley yet, so I’ll try. Fresno is agricultural, so it is very conservative politically. It also has poor air quality, but from field dust and pesticides. There isn’t much to do like there is in urban areas. It doesn’t snow, but still gets below freezing in the winter. Summers are hot; for most of July and August, if the temperature is in double digits it’s considered a cool day. People aren’t as environmentally consious, and we can’t even pass a law to have metered water. There are, however, more smokers here (although most I know don’t smoke indoors. I can’t imagine doing so). There’s also fresh fruit all summer, and it isn’t as expensive as the coastal areas.

The Central Valley is also extremely ethnically diverse. I’m told that there are more than 80 languages spoken here, but I don’t have a cite for it. There is a substantial population of Hmongs, as well as several other Asian nationalities. This is some sort of Armenian hub. I’ve known several Middle Eastern people here, mostly from Iran, and many Indians (the India kind). Of course, it’s California, so we also have a substantial Mexican population. There don’t seem to be as many African Americans as in LA (percentagewise, obviously), but I could be mistaken. And of course there’s causasians, but we’re boring and don’t really count as diversity. I know I’m leaving people out, too. This diversity makes for a lot of interesting cultural events, which is cool. I don’t really know, but I understand that much of the United States is a lot less diverse.

I rather agree with the take that California is full of radical conservatives and radical liberals, but not so many moderates. I’m on the radical liberal side of things, and the staunch conservatives around here drive me mad. Yeah, there’s also plenty of apathetic people, but not many people who care about politics and are moderate (in my experience).

I don’t think I’ll ever live anywhere but California. Arizona, Oregon, and Washington seem alright, but Arizona gets too hot and Oregon and Washington get too cold. If I can manage it, someday I’m living on California’s coast, where it isn’t too hot or too cold, and there’s a beach nearby.

I regard California as an embarrassment. The land of thinly-veiled socialism and perversion, y’know. Then there’s their rabid (and unwarranted) attempts at making private gun ownership impossible to all but the gangs…America’s ass indeed, best covered and ignored.

I’m a native Kentuckian, and I wouldn’t trade our crisp falls, snowy winters, glorious springs, and balmy summers, for any monoseason, mindless, urban cesspit. And I’d stack our scenery against anything any other state has to offer. Here in Central Kentucky, with Louisville to the north and Lexington to the south, right between em, ya get perfect country living with large cities nearby, just the way I like it.