How do I gut rid of a gut in 20 minutes a day?

If I can be grouchy for a moment. Do you imagine how irritating it is, as the parent and the spouse of a diabetic(son and wife), to have trouble finding ketostix because some loonball diet wants you to check for ketones, as they indicate you’re doing a great job of it? It is not a little disturbing to me that those people want “large” ketones, while sensible diabetics try and avoid them entirely. I guess those dieters could try ketodiastix, and try to get 2+ sugars while they’re at it. “If you spill sugars, you body can’t convert them to fat!”

Dieter: “Oh, my stomach hurts, and I’m very thirsty!”
Diet Book: “Good job, why don’t you go for the gold and go for a little run.”

Okay, you fucking prick. Let’s take a look at those sites.

First one was:
http://www.health.gov/dietaryguidelines/dga2000/document/contents.htm

All it says in regards to diet is eat whole grains and fruits/vegetables.

Check out my diet. Bam, brown rice. A staple in every meal I’ve had for the last month. Fruits and vegetables, oh my. Can you handle it?

For an explanation of why other grains and flour are out of my diet, go browse some bodybuilding sites with detailed info about slimming down for competition. I was right about ketosis and you’ll find ample sites regarding diets without flour or grains.

Next one:
http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/food/food-pyramid/main.htm

As you pointed out, you’re not an expert on nutrition. Nor, apparently, are you a serious athlete.

This chart, and probably every other link you posted are for the average North American fatass who downs a bucket of chicken then washes it down with beer or a bag of chips.

The AVERAGE athlete requires at least one gram of fat per pound of body weight per day. Their required food pyramid would not look like this. And then there are bodybuilders and people who work out five hours a day who require 1.5 to 2 grams of protein per pound of body fat per day. I know people who require five hundred grams of protein per day, I personally require over four hundred. This pyramid does not apply to athletes.

In fact, all concepts of “food pyramids” are becoming outdated considering the advances and growing popularity in supplements such as creatine monohydrate and protein isolate. Their popularity is growing to such a level that even weekend warriors are imbibing, not only in these, but in the more questionable products like Green Rage, Andro, or Z-Mass (raises testosterone by 600%). These are all perfectly legal and available supplements that require different diets than even the generic hardcore athletic diet (which does not look like your pyramid, either).

And, while I’m on the topic, this is a great example of toxins that need to be flushed from the body. Creatine monohydrate is issued from responsible supplement dealers with the warning that your water intake, no matter what it is, should be increased to keep the kidneys flushed. Of toxins. Otherwise they gather.

I was at the chiropracter’s today and the first book about nutrition I picked up discussed the value of alkaline foods and the dangers of toxins. THE SHOCKING TRUTH ABOUT WATER by Patrica and Pat Bragg, PHD and MD PHD respectively. Go look for it (or any book, by the sounds of it).

Next link:

Looked around, didn’t really see anything pertinent. Saw a breakdown of nutrients, went into the current issue and saw a lot of highly scientific analysis of nutrition in the elderly and the prostate and in all kinds of things that weren’t athletes. If I missed something, point it out to me.

Next one:
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/advice.html

Went to Nutrition and Weightloss and am browsing around. Went to Facts About Weightloss and it says, “Any claims that you can lose weight effortlessly are false.” And right above that it says in giant letters that it’s refering to the obese. Go ask a wrestler how hard he has to work to slip down a weightclass.

Went to Questionable Weightloss Products and it says absolutely nothing about herbs or toxins. Let’s see what else I can find.

What Are Some Clues to Weight Loss Fraud? Well, if you want to argue this you might even be able to win because I don’t have the time to go and research the flushing of toxins right now. Neither “flush” nor “toxin” were on the list of suspicious promises.

How Do You Recognize Quackery? You could argue this one, too. All I’d have to say in my defense is that none of the points can be applied to my herbalist and that I’m undergoing exactly what he promised I would.

Next link:
http://www.nutrition.gov/home/index.php3

So similar to your first link that they even link to it. Aimed at the average American fat ass.

Next link:
http://www.health.gov/dietaryguidelines/dga2000/document/summary/default.htm

Okay, this is pissing me off because you’ve linked to the same stupid thing three times now.

This is obviously not aimed at athletes because they don’t have to aim for a healthy weight precisely because they are athletes. The “build a healthy base” section is just a matter of food basics and common sense, which the aforementioned fatass doesn’t have. It has about as much application to a serious athlete as a SEE SPOT RUN book has to an English major.

And that appears to be the last of your silly links. I was prepared to make some concessions in that I don’t have any readily available knowledge, but when a dink who’s not a serious athlete and knows nothing about their nutrition tells me to get informed, I’m going to take it personally.

This is not the only diet I’ve had experience with. I’ve done ketosis. I’ve done at least a dozen of distinctly different diets as recommended by professional dietitions, as well as the diets that come recommended to my by the professional trainers and bodybuilders down at the gym. I know what works, I know what doesn’t, and I know that what I’m doing now seems to work like ketosis.

That was supposed to read that I don’t have any readily available knowledge of toxins. A small mistake that probably detracts from my post a bit, but wtf. I’m still pissed off. Live with it.

Geez, Anal, relax. Reduce your steroid dose, boy - you’re gonna have a stroke.

The cites I posted were the result of a five minute Google search. Sort of a preliminary look into the basic scientifically supported nutrition information I was trying to emphasize. I apologize for not having perused them further to eliminate the duplication. If you have some scientifically supported nutrition information specifically for bodybuilders, I’d like to see it. I didn’t find any.

The point I was trying to get at was just what you were talking about in your last post: there is too little good nutrition information around and too much bad. If things are working out for you, grand. Good luck to you. Just be careful recommending it to others.

Also, much of my preaching was aimed at potentially uninformed lurkers, and not necessarily at you. Replying to you was just a convenient way to present my argument. Sorry you took it the wrong way.