# How do the Apollo Moon landing deniers explain the LRO images? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [March 6, 2012, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945 "2012-03-06T17:58:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/1 "2012-03-06T17:58:10Z")
A new image was released yesterday. [Apollo 15 landing site imaged](http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/index.php?/archives/527-Follow-the-Tracks.html) from an altitude of 25 km allowing an even higher resolution view! The Lunar Roving Vehicle (LRV) is parked to the far right, and the Lunar Module descent stage is in the center, LRV tracks indicated with arrows [NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University]. I am curious what the deniers say. Can deniers ever be convinced? ---
**Author:** ![h.sapiens](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e0b2c6/32.png) [@h.sapiens](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/h.sapiens)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/2 "2012-03-06T18:01:07Z")
If they haven’t listened to reason and evidence yet, I doubt they’ll be convinced by a digital image that could easily (in their opinion) be faked. ---
**Author:** ![obbn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/d6d6ee/32.png) [@obbn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obbn)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/3 "2012-03-06T18:12:04Z")
On a side note, if you want some real fun if you ever go to visit the Kennedy Space Center in Titusville, Fl walk up to every employee you see and say the following: "Excuse me, can you please tell me where the building is that contains the sound stage where they filmed the moon landings? The NASA employee starts to roll their eyes, to which you say (In a very low whisper): “I know they are watching. If it is that big building on the right, blink twice” The range of responses you get is amazing. From “Oh, you’re one of THOSE”, to completely cracking up the NASA guy. Good Times, Good Times … ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/4 "2012-03-06T18:12:12Z")
It’s not all that convincing. To me they just look like blobs. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/5 "2012-03-06T18:23:01Z")
Why was the LRV left so far from the LEM? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/6 "2012-03-06T18:43:27Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Why was the LRV left so far from the LEM? Wondering that too, did they get a flat and had to hitch back? ---
**Author:** ![Craz3d117](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c4cdca/32.png) [@Craz3d117](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Craz3d117)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/7 "2012-03-06T18:44:28Z")
How would they explain these images? Quite simply: “They’re fake.” Conspiracy theorists cannot be reasoned with. Any evidence put forth will just be claimed to be part of the conspiracy as well. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/8 "2012-03-06T18:50:35Z")
Yea, if someones convinced themselves that the entire Apollo missions, which involved hundreds of hours of video footage, tens of thousands of people and billions of dollars over two decades were faked, its a little silly to think that a greyscale image of a white dot that’s supposedly the landing site taken by the same agency that ran the original program is somehow going to awe them into belief. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/9 "2012-03-06T18:53:30Z")
They flew them there later. They dumped them out by automated vehicle and arranged them to look as if we’ve walked on the moon, which we still haven’t done yet. ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/10 "2012-03-06T19:19:56Z")
> [@obbn](#): > > On a side note, if you want some real fun if you ever go to visit the Kennedy Space Center in Titusville, Fl walk up to every employee you see and say the following: > > “Excuse me, can you please tell me where the building is that contains the sound stage where they filmed the moon landings?” Oh sure, it’s fun and games as long as long as Buzz Aldrin isn’t [within earshot.](http://youtu.be/ZOo6aHSY8hU) 😃 Of course, Aldrin’s violent reaction probably just confirms their conspiracy theories. I am reminded of Monty Python: “Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system!” Aside from debunking their arguments one by one, I’ve always thought that the best evidence for the truth of the Moon landings was that the Soviets (who had a vested interest in denying the landings) apparently didn’t dispute it. ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/11 "2012-03-06T19:34:31Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Wondering that too, did they get a flat and had to hitch back? Ran out of gas. Not a HiCo in sight. Actually it’s pretty close. [Here’s a wider view](http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/a15_traverse2.png) showing the extent of the LRV’s explorations. [LRV final parking sites](http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/alsj-LRVFinalParking.html): \*I conclude that the Apollo 15 LRV was parked about 165 meters behind the LM on an azimuth of about 102 degrees. \* ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/12 "2012-03-06T19:37:38Z")
> [@Craz3d117](#): > > How would they explain these images? Quite simply: “They’re fake.” Conspiracy theorists cannot be reasoned with. Any evidence put forth will just be claimed to be part of the conspiracy as well. My favorite current answer to a conspiracy debunking is “Facts can be manipulated.” Try answering _that_ one, smart guy! ---
**Author:** ![postcards](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8e8cbc/32.png) [@postcards](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/postcards)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/13 "2012-03-06T19:41:04Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Why was the LRV left so far from the LEM? I’m pretty sure they left a camera on the LRV to tape the ascent of the LM. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/14 "2012-03-06T20:33:00Z")
> [@postcards](#): > > I’m pretty sure they left a camera on the LRV to tape the ascent of the LM. Aha! Then who recovered teh tape? huh? Answer that, Mr ‘Science.’ ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/15 "2012-03-06T20:39:47Z")
Here’s an [MPEG](http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15v.1713552.mpg) of the Apollo 15 ascent. Lift off at about 1/3 of the video. ---
**Author:** ![Blakeyrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@Blakeyrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blakeyrat)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/16 "2012-03-06T20:50:44Z")
To paraphrase That Mitchell and Webb Look: Agent 1: “Let’s fake a moon landing.” Agent 2: “But we’ll still need a massive rocket, right? Or else people will know it’s fake.” Agent 1: “Yes, but think of all the other costs we can save!” Agent 2: “What’s the majority of the cost?” Agent 1: “Well, admittedly, it’s the massive rocket…” [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6MOnehCOUw](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6MOnehCOUw) ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/17 "2012-03-06T20:53:04Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Aha! Then who recovered teh tape? huh? Answer that, Mr ‘Science.’ Hah! NASA hoisted by its own petard! ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/18 "2012-03-06T21:11:50Z")
> [@h.sapiens](#): > > If they haven’t listened to reason and evidence yet, I doubt they’ll be convinced by a digital image that could easily (in their opinion) be faked. Totally shopped. What are those letters and arrows doing on there? Seriously though, there’s nothing you can do to convince them. Even if you could take a denier to the moon and show them the site, that you can take them to the moon now doesn’t prove that we went then and, they just planted that stuff there once we really could so we could keep up the lie. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/19 "2012-03-06T21:12:34Z")
> [@postcards](#): > > I’m pretty sure they left a camera on the LRV to tape the ascent of the LM. I’d think they’d leave it far enough away to not have pieces flying about when the ascent stage fired. I have no idea how far that is. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/20 "2012-03-06T21:24:07Z")
Not only is that photo fake, but the spacecraft’s software was obviously hacked and those things photoshopped in. The people at NASA would obviously be trained to believe the moon landing actually happened so they won’t even look into that possibility. So they are blinded to any evidence contrary to their false belief that the moon landing actually happened, and if they won’t even consider anything to the contrary they must be wrong. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945.md?page=2)