# How do the Apollo Moon landing deniers explain the LRO images? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [March 6, 2012, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945 "2012-03-06T17:58:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/21 "2012-03-06T23:13:51Z")
For crying out loud - why would NASA/JPL wait 40+ years to put out fake pictures. This stuff makes me wish for a human eugenics program. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2012, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/22 "2012-03-06T23:20:17Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I’d think they’d leave it far enough away to not have pieces flying about when the ascent stage fired. I have no idea how far that is. Yes, because dings and scrapes can really hurt the resale value on a used vehicle. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2012, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/23 "2012-03-07T01:37:34Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Yes, because dings and scrapes can really hurt the resale value on a used vehicle. I was thinking more of poking a hole in the ascent stage at a very bad time. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2012, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/24 "2012-03-07T01:49:49Z")
How is that possible in a vacuum? All forces/gasses acting on the lander would send any debris _away from_ the ascent stage. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2012, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/25 "2012-03-07T03:03:39Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > How is that possible in a vacuum? All forces/gasses acting on the lander would send any debris _away from_ the ascent stage. They bight bounce off something. Vacuum or not; the only difference would be the wind, and I don’t think wind on Earth would deflect debris unless it a storm. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2012, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/26 "2012-03-07T03:10:11Z")
Unless it were a storm. ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2012, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/27 "2012-03-07T04:02:20Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > Here’s an [MPEG](http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/a15v.1713552.mpg) of the Apollo 15 ascent. > > Lift off at about 1/3 of the video. OK smart guy where did the brass band come from, and how did they get back from the moon? HA! Answer me that! ---
**Author:** ![audit1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ed8c4c/32.png) [@audit1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/audit1)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2012, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/28 "2012-03-07T06:47:13Z")
The deniers would argue the Lunar Module was secretly modified to fly and land unmanned in order to deploy TOP SECRET military stuff in order to fuel the cold war. What you see in the LRO pictures is the TOP SECRET military stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Cardinal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal/32/4000_2.png) [@Cardinal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardinal)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2012, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/29 "2012-03-07T07:49:02Z")
> [@standingwave](#): > > Aside from debunking their arguments one by one, I’ve always thought that the best evidence for the truth of the Moon landings was that the Soviets (who had a vested interest in denying the landings) apparently didn’t dispute it. This is my death stab at the dumb arguments I get from HS students. Unfortunately these are also the same ones often who don’t know why the Soviets would have made a big deal about it, because they’re not too bright or academic, and aren’t sure what the USSR was. ---
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2012, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/30 "2012-03-07T11:36:27Z")
> [@standingwave](#): > > Aside from debunking their arguments one by one, I’ve always thought that the best evidence for the truth of the Moon landings was that the Soviets (who had a vested interest in denying the landings) apparently didn’t dispute it. The stock woo answer to that one is that the evil US gubmint bought off the evil Soviet gubmint with shiploads of grain (or blue jeans, or Creedence Clearwater Revival LPs, or whatever). ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2012, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/31 "2012-03-07T14:13:11Z")
> [@Colophon](#): > > The stock woo answer to that one is that the evil US gubmint bought off the evil Soviet gubmint with shiploads of grain (or blue jeans, or Creedence Clearwater Revival LPs, or whatever). CCR would do it. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2012, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/32 "2012-03-07T14:32:58Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > CCR would do it. There is a bad moon on the rise, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2012, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/33 "2012-03-07T16:01:02Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Aha! Then who recovered teh tape? huh? Answer that, Mr ‘Science.’ It was on a reeeeeeeeeeeeealy long tether. –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2012, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/34 "2012-03-07T16:19:30Z")
Surely the rover tracks would have been covered over by several feet of dust when the lunar module launched? Seriously though, haven’t most of the deniers packed up and gone home? On this (brit) side of the atlantic, I haven’t heard a peep about it in years. Even on the infotainment channels it crops up about as often as the bermuda triangle. ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2012, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/35 "2012-03-07T16:20:52Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > There is a bad moon on the rise, after all. Bathroom on the right. Please. ---
**Author:** ![VOW](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vow/32/3043_2.png) [@VOW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VOW)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2012, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/36 "2012-03-07T16:49:19Z")
Whenever a SD poster uses the word “denier” in a thread title, my eyeballs always see the word “diener” first…and I’m a little startled as to why someone would be discussing a morgue assistant! ~VOW ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2012, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/37 "2012-03-07T17:09:28Z")
Actually, it’s the deniers that don’t exist. They’re all socks created by NASA so that they’ll have to continually answer stupid questions. That’s the only way that some people can learn. ---
**Author:** ![Cardinal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal/32/4000_2.png) [@Cardinal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardinal)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2012, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/38 "2012-03-07T22:35:54Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > Surely the rover tracks would have been covered over by several feet of dust when the lunar module launched? I’m not sure if you’re serious about this, but in case you or another reader is: What’s easy to forget is that there’s no atmosphere on the moon, and the only dust thrown up by the launch would be the particles directly hit by exhaust particles. There’s no swirl of air that would raise a big dust cloud like on earth. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2012, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/39 "2012-03-07T23:18:40Z")
If there’s no atmosphere, why was the flag waving? ---
**Author:** ![WotNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e19b73/32.png) [@WotNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WotNot)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2012, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945/40 "2012-03-07T23:24:17Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > Actually, it’s the deniers that don’t exist. They’re all socks created by NASA so that they’ll have to continually answer stupid questions. That’s the only way that some people can learn. Socks? I thought denier was for stockings? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-the-apollo-moon-landing-deniers-explain-the-lro-images/614945.md?page=3)