# How do topless models really feel? Visual suggestions within (NSFW; mod cleared) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [September 30, 2012, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-topless-models-really-feel-visual-suggestions-within-nsfw-mod-cleared/636340 "2012-09-30T23:32:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2012, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-topless-models-really-feel-visual-suggestions-within-nsfw-mod-cleared/636340/41 "2012-10-01T17:59:41Z")
> [@Simple\_Linctus](#): > > The difference here, however, is that the photographers appear to have been either too cheap or too technologically challenged to take simultanteous photographs So if I understand you correctly, you’re suggesting the cameras should have formed a ring around the Rosie. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2012, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-topless-models-really-feel-visual-suggestions-within-nsfw-mod-cleared/636340/42 "2012-10-01T18:33:52Z")
As usual, neither link worked for me. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2012, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-topless-models-really-feel-visual-suggestions-within-nsfw-mod-cleared/636340/43 "2012-10-01T18:38:37Z")
> [@astro](#): > > If you were a buff man with large penis posing for a gay online magazine how would you like posing while the turntable is turning, ever turning. Coming to the west coast was a big mistake there’s no decent falafel anywhere. You know there’s an obese gay man out there somewhere studying your face closely at each revolution… obsessing over it really… looking for the few seconds where you lose your smile and wondering how you really feel. You know this because he tracked you down and emailed you on Facebook about this very subject. > > Well… how do you feel? God! You’re so hungry.. you’d kill for hot dog or a pastrami on rye. You had to work out like a maniac, and go no carbs to get cut enough for this stupid photo shoot to pay you enough to make your rent. You’re starving and you miss New York. What were you thinking coming to Los Angeles? Now you’re stuck.. and hungry. Boy, this post made me sad for this metaphorical buff man. ☹ 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![PaulParkhead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@PaulParkhead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PaulParkhead)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2012, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-topless-models-really-feel-visual-suggestions-within-nsfw-mod-cleared/636340/44 "2012-10-01T18:46:30Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > I seriously think the OP is projecting his own personal issues with women onto these poor models in the article. I have no freakin’ idea what the fuck he is talking about. I read the OP as something like this: he’s not an idiot, he knows the girls on page 3 or a strip club are not really into him. But part of their attraction depends on the illusion that they are there for him, ready and waiting. If the model acts bored and fed up, the spell is broken. You can look at the pictures while you’re on the train to work and think “what if…” in the same way you might dream of winning the lottery, but it’s a lot more difficult if the girl looks as if all she really wants to do is put on her PJs and veg in front of the TV with a pepperoni pizza. ---
**Author:** ![Lukeinva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lukeinva/32/17872_2.png) [@Lukeinva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lukeinva)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2012, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-topless-models-really-feel-visual-suggestions-within-nsfw-mod-cleared/636340/45 "2012-10-01T19:04:00Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > As usual, neither link worked for me. :mad: ( o Y o ) Hope this helps. ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2012, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-topless-models-really-feel-visual-suggestions-within-nsfw-mod-cleared/636340/46 "2012-10-01T19:09:18Z")
> [@PaulParkhead](#): > > I read the OP as something like this: he’s not an idiot, he knows the girls on page 3 or a strip club are not really into him. But part of their attraction depends on the illusion that they are there for him, ready and waiting. If the model acts bored and fed up, the spell is broken. > > You can look at the pictures while you’re on the train to work and think “what if…” in the same way you might dream of winning the lottery, but it’s a lot more difficult if the girl looks as if all she really wants to do is put on her PJs and veg in front of the TV with a pepperoni pizza. That was my take, too. Equivalent to guys who take an extra long look at my boobs if I’m wearing a button down or tank top, then make smug eye contact [thought bubble] You like it when I look, that’s why you bent down you saucy minx [/thought bubble] No, ya perve, I dropped my damn keys. These aren’t for you, GTF over yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2012, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-topless-models-really-feel-visual-suggestions-within-nsfw-mod-cleared/636340/47 "2012-10-01T19:14:56Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > That was my take, too. Equivalent to guys who take an extra long look at my boobs if I’m wearing a button down or tank top, then make smug eye contact [thought bubble] You like it when I look, that’s why you bent down you saucy minx [/thought bubble] > No, ya perve, I dropped my damn keys. These aren’t for you, GTF over yourself. How about if I look a little guilty and ashamed that I stared at your rack when we make eye contact? Is that OK? ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2012, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-topless-models-really-feel-visual-suggestions-within-nsfw-mod-cleared/636340/48 "2012-10-01T19:23:32Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > How about if I look a little guilty and ashamed that I stared at your rack when we make eye contact? Is that OK? Just make like Jerry Seinfeld: “Never stare directly at the cleavage. It’s like looking at the sun, you get a sense of it, then look away…” ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2012, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-topless-models-really-feel-visual-suggestions-within-nsfw-mod-cleared/636340/49 "2012-10-01T19:26:14Z")
> [@Lukeinva](#): > > ( o Y o ) > > Hope this helps. I’ll be in my bunk. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2012, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-topless-models-really-feel-visual-suggestions-within-nsfw-mod-cleared/636340/50 "2012-10-01T19:42:58Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > Just make like Jerry Seinfeld: “Never stare directly at the cleavage. It’s like looking at the sun, you get a sense of it, then look away…” But. . . I’m looking for my car keys. Who knows _where_ they could turn up.😃 ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2012, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-topless-models-really-feel-visual-suggestions-within-nsfw-mod-cleared/636340/51 "2012-10-01T19:43:02Z")
"Okay, Rosie… just a few more and we’ll be ready to go—Erik, get Rosie’s robe while we rework the lights. Brandon, let’s move that softbox a bit more to the left? . . . No, other left. Yeh, I’m still seeing some weird shadows. Okay, move this one a bit further away. Okay. Yeh, looks good. Let’s do another test on the turntable… okay, nice and smooth. Alright, Rosie, if you’ll go ahead and disrobe, again. Wonderful. I think we’re just about ready. We might bracket these exposures a couple times, but let’s do a full turn around. Remember to keep that smile all the way through… Okay, not bad, but your start position didn’t quite line up with the end. I see a bit of a jump here. Let’s roll this again… remember to maintain that smile, and keep those eyes looking at the camera when you come back around! And… roll… Okay, very nice! Closer. Still a bit of a jump. Keep that smile, and maybe straighten that leg a bit. Might help you to keep position. Let’s go again… _[14 takes later]_ Okay, I think we’re there. Let’s do one more for safety and call it a wrap. . . . Alright! Thanks everyone. Rosie, you were great. Feel free to get clothed, and everyone, let’s pack up this gear. I’ll be in the bathroom doing a couple more lines, if anyone wants to join me. Great work everyone!" ---
**Author:** ![Simple\_Linctus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Simple\_Linctus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simple_Linctus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2012, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-topless-models-really-feel-visual-suggestions-within-nsfw-mod-cleared/636340/52 "2012-10-01T23:05:27Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > I seriously think the OP is projecting his own personal issues with women onto these poor models in the article. I have no freakin’ idea what the fuck he is talking about. I don’t have any personal issues with women\*. To be clear the most interesting thing about this to me is the way that a smile looks real if you look at one image of it, but when you see the images that show how it has been formed you can see how fake it is. No one else seems to have picked this up yet, dunno why. \*Excpet that visually I like younger ones but otherwise prefer older ones. I don’t think this counts as an issue though. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2012, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-topless-models-really-feel-visual-suggestions-within-nsfw-mod-cleared/636340/53 "2012-10-01T23:10:49Z")
It’s not that no one else has picked it up, it’s that everyone else expects it. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2012, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-topless-models-really-feel-visual-suggestions-within-nsfw-mod-cleared/636340/54 "2012-10-01T23:17:18Z")
> [@Simple\_Linctus](#): > > To be clear the most interesting thing about this to me is the way that a smile looks real if you look at one image of it, but when you see the images that show how it has been formed you can see how fake it is. No one else seems to have picked this up yet, dunno why. Mind sharing with us your time-lapse sequence of a “real” smile being formed so that we can see key differences? But maybe I’ll get what you’re saying if I do some more detailed research, I’ve only gone thru about half the archive so far (and only about one third of the facial expressions…😃 ) (And as to how do topless models really feel… I would suppose that most often, kind of a chill) ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2012, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-topless-models-really-feel-visual-suggestions-within-nsfw-mod-cleared/636340/55 "2012-10-01T23:29:43Z")
Are you trying to say that topless women on the internet aren’t really that into unknown men? Not even me specifically? Geez, that makes it seem like it’s just a job to them. Say what you will about her smile though, Rosie is totally coming on to me with her eyes. (\* Expert tip for those who want to conduct extensive scientific research: the mouse wheel will advance the rotation exactly one frame at a time.) ---
**Author:** ![Simple\_Linctus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Simple\_Linctus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simple_Linctus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2012, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-topless-models-really-feel-visual-suggestions-within-nsfw-mod-cleared/636340/56 "2012-10-01T23:38:23Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Mind sharing with us your time-lapse sequence of a “real” smile being formed so that we can see key differences? > > But maybe I’ll get what you’re saying if I do some more detailed research, I’ve only gone thru about half the archive so far (and only about one third of the facial expressions…😃 ) I don’t have any such archive but you only have to use your own knowledge of fake and real smiles. You must have seen some obviously fake smiles in your time and obviously real smiles. These tend towards the former but you cannot tell at an instinctive level until you see them form. ---
**Author:** ![Simple\_Linctus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Simple\_Linctus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simple_Linctus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2012, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-topless-models-really-feel-visual-suggestions-within-nsfw-mod-cleared/636340/57 "2012-10-01T23:52:10Z")
[Here is a SFW head](http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/3205/progression.png) image I just spent five minutes of my valuable time creating to demonstrate the fake smiley thing. If you look at just the righter-most image the smile looks real. If you look at the progression it’s kinda fake. But if you rotate the thing in real time it’s super obviously fake. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-topless-models-really-feel-visual-suggestions-within-nsfw-mod-cleared/636340/58 "2012-10-02T00:04:59Z")
I found out they’re not really shooting people to death in those war movies, either. Really disappointing. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-topless-models-really-feel-visual-suggestions-within-nsfw-mod-cleared/636340/59 "2012-10-02T00:55:15Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > But. . . I’m looking for my car keys. Who knows _where_ they could turn up.😃 If I can find my keys, we’ll drive out of here! ---
**Author:** ![SCSimmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e495f1/32.png) [@SCSimmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCSimmons)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2012, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-topless-models-really-feel-visual-suggestions-within-nsfw-mod-cleared/636340/60 "2012-10-02T02:47:27Z")
> [@Simple\_Linctus](#): > > I don’t have any such archive but you only have to use your own knowledge of fake and real smiles. You must have seen some obviously fake smiles in your time and obviously real smiles. These tend towards the former but you cannot tell at an instinctive level until you see them form. The point they’re trying to make is that nobody in the universe has ever maintained a real smile through the course of a photoshoot like this. Experienced, professional models are better at showing convincing smiles through more of a long shoot, but they’re actually just as fake. Real smiles happen when you’re experiencing something amusing or enjoyable–what these models think of the ultimate consumers of these photographs really doesn’t enter into it, because the process of making this product isn’t itself enjoyable. I don’t smile all day while I’m working, but that’s not because I have contempt or disrespect for my company’s customers. I think we do important and valuable work–but it’s still just a job, and it’s rarely an entertaining one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-topless-models-really-feel-visual-suggestions-within-nsfw-mod-cleared/636340.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-topless-models-really-feel-visual-suggestions-within-nsfw-mod-cleared/636340.md?page=4)