How do we decide if not taking precautions against COVID is irresponsible and dangerous, generally as well as personally?

Masks became a political football. We didn’t always make good choices as far as which restrictions to keep and which to give up on, when you consider that we have limited ammo as far as what people will put up with.

My kids are still wearing masks in school. They are mandated basically no where else now. Having them in just one place is fairly pointless, especially when cases continue to decline. Plus the kids are wearing them all day. Public transit is maybe a better thing to enforce because it is just a limited time during the day for contact, rather than having someone wear a mask every day for eight hours. It’s just poor implementation strategy, but there has never been one set of rules. It all comes down to what can be done, people will tolerate masks in schools still in my area, but the fact that logical consistent measures are so hard to implement (and remove in the case of schools) doesn’t increase my faith in collective action.

You are also in contact with different people every time you enter a subway car. That’s intrinsically higher risk than hanging out with the same people in your school class every day.

Folks at higher risk may be able to participate in public life safely even with unilateral self-protective measures. See below:

… on Monday [April 18th], COVID-19 experts took to Twitter to reassure uneasy travelers that they still have the power to protect themselves — even when everyone else on board is going gleefully maskless.

“One-way masking works, if you wear the right mask,” tweeted Dr. Scott Gottlieb, former commissioner of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. “KN95, KF94 or better. For those at risk from Covid, or who want added safety even as those around them unmask, a high quality mask worn properly can afford a measurable degree of added protection.”

“Remember that even if masks aren’t required, people who choose to can wear them (as I will continue to, on planes/trains),” added Dr. Leana Wen, former Baltimore health commissioner. “If you wear one, please opt for an N95 or equivalent (KN95 or KF94) for optimal protection.”

The idea of one-way masking isn’t new. Indoor mask mandates have been falling for months, and high-profile voices such as Wen and Gottlieb have responded by insisting that individual masking can still serve as an adequate shield for Americans (especially if they’re fully vaccinated and boosted) who want to minimize their risk of infection during a concert or a trip to the grocery store.

But the sudden toppling of the federal travel mandate — which is unlikely to return — may mark a turning point in the conversation about solo masking. Before, cautious individuals could largely decide not to spend time in places where face coverings were scarce. Many Americans, however, do not have a choice about taking a plane, train, bus or subway to get somewhere. They will now be forced to share air with the great unmasked masses for extended periods — and they’ll want to know whether covering just their own face can really keep the virus at bay.

So what does the latest science say?

Bad news first: Indoor spaces would undoubtedly be safer if every single person were wearing an N95, a KN95 or a KF94 respirator. When properly fitted, these masks prevent about 95% of airborne particles (such as the SARS-CoV-2 virus) from passing through. But because such particles have to breach the mask material twice when everyone is masked up — once after someone breathes them out, then again before someone else breathes them in — universal masking actually doubles the filtration power. As a result, a room, or cabin, of N95s can reduce overall exposure by 99% compared to zero masking.

For anyone who is immunocompromised, ineligible for vaccination or otherwise vulnerable or concerned, that would be the ideal scenario.

The problem, of course, is that it isn’t a realistic scenario, and it wasn’t a realistic scenario even before this week. Travelers on planes, for instance, have long been allowed to remove their masks while eating and drinking. Many, if not most, wear cloth or surgical masks instead of N95s. And even those who do opt for N95-grade respirators tend not to know how to achieve the optimal seal required in, say, laboratories, where professionals undergo a rigorous fit-testing process to minimize leakage.

The question, then, is not how one-way masking compares to perfect and universal N95-grade masking, but rather how one-way masking compares to the patchwork alternative previously in place.

And that’s where the good news comes in. According to Joseph Allen, an associate professor and director of the Healthy Buildings program at Harvard University’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health, a standard cloth mask filters out roughly 50% of virus particles. So “when two people wear this level mask,” Allen explains, “the combined efficacy is 75%.” Meanwhile, a single surgical mask — which uses electrostatically charged, particle-trapping material, like an N95, but doesn’t fit nearly as well — boasts a 70% filtration rate, meaning the combined efficacy of multiple surgical masks is 91%. That’s good enough for hospitals.

Before the travel mandate was lifted this week, mask filtration on planes, trains, buses and subways probably would have fallen somewhere on the lower end of this 75% to 91% range, given how many people were wearing cloth or surgical masks and removing them to eat and drink — or letting them drop under their noses for the entire flight.

But here’s the heartening thing: One well-fitted N95-style respirator is able to filter out 95% of airborne particles all by itself, no matter what anyone else is wearing (or not wearing). Some can perform even better. That means it’s possible for a consistent one-way masker to be even safer in a space where nobody else is masking than a bunch of people wearing a mixture of masks in a space where they’re frequently removing them to snack and sip.

For those you that think that a government mask mandate is an unprecedented and egregious assault on their freedoms, and for those of you that think a year or two of inconvenient COVID precautions is too much for the government to require of its young people, I have three words for you.

Vietnam. Draft Board.

My generation had it worse. Stop whining.

Cite? I don’t recall any articles at all about mask-wearing prior to February 2020 that weren’t about Asia’s custom of wearing masks when air pollution is bad, and would love to see some of those you’re talking about having read pre-covid.

And I think this is the issue. I’m not anti-mask. I’m not a radical conservative. For this board I probably am, but many of my friends are radical conservatives and I think this is the issue. If masks were such a necessity you wouldn’t only have them in schools or only on an airplane.

When you drive to the airport, stop at the gas station, stop at a restaurant, go 3 or 4 places where masks aren’t mandated, and realize that everyone else on the plane has done the same thing, it seems pretty silly to then and only then have to wear masks on the plane when you all land in, say, Las Vegas and then go to casinos unmasked.

If it weren’t for the shitty messaging, then people might have bought into mask mandates.

I’m probably to the right of you on this or that issue, but I still mask on top of being vaccinated and boosted because I’m just that big on the enlightened self-interest pitch of right-wingery.

In Canada the only people who said that were anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers who had BS political agendas and liked to cherry-pick their info. Oh, and compared Fauci to Hitler. Such august company.

What are you going on about? Fauci DID say that. Past CDC guidelines said that.

I can note that historical fact without being an anti-vaxxer or saying that Fauci is Hitler. He did say it.

Chicago and Cook County are in the lowest level of transmission rates.

4 Illinois Counties Now in Medium COVID Transmission Risk for COVID: CDC – NBC Chicago

“As of Friday, no communities were said to be experiencing high transmission.”

But do you not understand that they were doing the best they could to apply their specialized knowledge and expertise to something relatively new and unknown?

I don’t understand why this is so bloody difficult for some people to understand. These are complex things and the effectiveness of masks, and specific types and designs of masks and airflow patterns aren’t always as they superficially seem. So initial assumptions, which may at first be no better than best guesses ( but substantially better than my best guess would be), are made and, as research and observations are made, then policies are amended.

This doesn’t mean that TPTB are clueless, indecisive morons, as a lot of people seem to suggest; it means that science is working. And to have the whole thing bastardized and politicized by a bunch of ignorant assholes isn’t helping, especially when they want the science to fit their own narrow-minded, selfish worldviews

According to the new CDC definition. The NYT says 25 active cases per 100,000, and trending upward. That’s not what it was in January, for sure, but not fabulous either - and up 80% from 2 weeks ago.

Right. Are we to follow the CDC guidelines, or not?

It would help people decide whether the guidelines were something that made sense to follow if they didn’t change the guidelines with the political breeze.

I’ve lost track of how many times in the last two + years that I’ve seen signs, notices, press releases, websites, etc. that start with “Per CDC guidelines…”

Well, the guidelines have changed. I don’t think it’s logical to pick and choose which ones we should all follow. YMMV.

It absolutely does vary. I make decisions based on how experts evaluate the level of risk to someone in my specific circumstances, and not all of them agree with the CDC, by a long shot. Including my own doctor.

So all of this time, the “follow the CDC guidelines” mantra was what? Wrong? Nonsense? Political Theater? Or?

Until recently there seemed to be a lot more agreement from actual infectious disease experts who didn’t work for the CDC that the CDC guidelines made sense. The change in guidelines was pure politics. Here in Chicago, we have already once again blown past the case levels at which the mask mandate was supposed to be reinstated, and I don’t see anything changing.

ETA: here’s the old order: 400 cases/day was supposed to be the cutoff. We’re at 453 today.

A minimum standard subject to further review.

Mask mandates are a dead letter law and will not return or be enforced.

My view is that people are live and let live with masks, no confrontations either way. Politicians are supposed to represent the public and the public doesn’t want mask mandates. Individuals are allowed to mask as they wish.

I’m sure I will be screamed at for this as has been the fashion lately.