# How do we feel about teachers fired for posting homemade porn? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [December 14, 2023, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614 "2023-12-14T20:21:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/361 "2023-12-18T20:40:32Z")
> [@Jay\_Z](#): > > So suppose a teacher is efficient and imparting all necessary instruction. They are efficient enough that they have 10 minutes extra in each class period to fill. They choose to fill this time with descriptions of their sexual relationship with their married partner. Nothing is off limits, anything may be described. I suppose pictures and movies can also be brought in, since someone being uncomfortable with them is not something that should be listened to. I am assuming many here will nod in agreement with such a situation. It’s been done, sort of…. > **[Teacher fired for asking 4th-graders for love advice](https://nypost.com/2014/05/21/teacher-fired-for-asking-4th-graders-love-advice/)** > > Reading and ‘riting … and relationships? A city substitute teacher has been fired for seeking love life advice — from her fourth-graders, investigators say. Cassandre Fiering, 45, was trying … ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/362 "2023-12-18T20:59:47Z")
These are also government employees that are managed by elected officials. No matter if you think sex working is not wrong and shouldnt be discriminated against…many voters would disagree with you…and elected officials like to be re-elected. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/363 "2023-12-18T21:03:17Z")
Well the same argument goes for book banning and discrimination against trans students. Yes it happens. We know that. We are asking if this particular one should. (For the record most of the banned books, trans discrimination, and other so called Christian values items do happen but should not.) ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Jay\_Z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Z)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/364 "2023-12-18T21:03:21Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > To be clear, was this realty company a government realty company or a private realty company? Government employers have restrictions on them that private employers do not. > > You didn’t tell me you could see the difference, which worries me. There’s a difference, but that’s not an argument people have been making. If you want to make an argument that by being government employees, teachers should have additional rights for protected class status for things like sex work that are not a protected class, and should not be held to a code of conduct that would apply to a private company, feel free, but that’s a different argument. Suzy Favor Hamilton worked for a private realty company. I’ll also point out that I don’t think the Constitution requires that we provide and fund a public school system. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/365 "2023-12-18T21:23:27Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > We have to draw a line somewhere. But your position is that **you** get to draw the line. She violated no law nor any state or district professional code of conduct. Those are the lines. If you do not like it, then contact your state department of education and local school board. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/366 "2023-12-18T21:28:02Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > If a teacher has a side gig involving porn/sex work, and manages to keep the two jobs completely separate, so that no one involved in one of them knows about the other, I don’t see any reason for firing or outrage. What you’re describing here (“no one involved in one of them knows about the other”) is a lot more than keeping the two jobs separate – it’s describing keeping your own-time activities **a secret from your employer** because you know it would be regarded by the school administration as deviant behaviour and likely result in you being fired. I’m not going to go down the “nothing wrong with porn” rabbit hole; I’m stating the reality borne out by experience. I stand by what I said earlier – the position that “it’s OK [to do this skeevy thing] as long as nobody finds out” is hypocritical and morally incongruous. Blaming the worried parent who exposed the teachers cited in the OP is nothing short of victim-blaming. These are teachers working in a public school with the responsibilities inherent in teaching and mentoring children, not a bunch of merchant-marine sailors on shore leave. > [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > > [@Beckdawrek](#): > > > > We have to draw a line somewhere. > > But your position is that **you** get to draw the line. She violated no law nor any state or district professional code of conduct. Those are the lines. If you do not like it, then contact your state department of education and local school board.   I’d venture to say that @Beckdawrek is just fine with the outcomes that have been cited here in these four cases. If you aren’t, and want to advocate for teachers being sex workers, then **you’re** the one that needs to take it up with your local government and school board. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/367 "2023-12-18T21:31:39Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > In addition, last year **[an Arizona teacher was fired over OnlyFans](https://www.azfamily.com/2022/11/11/lake-havasu-city-teacher-fired-after-students-find-her-online-porn/)** And to you other examples: My grandmother had to leave the teaching profession in Iowa because she got married. Does that make it right because it was policy? ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/368 "2023-12-18T21:33:10Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > it’s describing keeping your own-time activities **a secret from your employer** Yeah, so? In general I don’t think it’s any employer’s business what their employees do on their own time, if it in no way affects their job. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/369 "2023-12-18T21:45:59Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Stop concerning yourself with sex acts that you’ve not been invited to join. Oh Damn! I guess that would be _“All of Them”_. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/370 "2023-12-18T22:03:30Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > I would totally agree that the situations are not parallel, even if you compare behaviours (choosing not to be celibate / choosing to create pornography). > > However, what is parallel is the disproportionate moral anxiety that arises around behaviours related to sex. > > It is pretty easy to not make porn. It is rather less easy to live one’s life in the closet. It seems that she did it because she needed the money, not for kicks. And back then I suspect many if not most of those in power considered being gay, and definitely acting on it, as a choice also. If you think these are different because Turing’s behavior had nothing to do with his job, remember that back then being gay made you subject to blackmail, and he had a lot of very sensitive confidential information in his head. The solution to that problem was to normalize things, so being gay is no longer a secret. With a more sane view of sex, even if people found out, there wouldn’t be an issue. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/371 "2023-12-18T22:41:22Z")
I have know idea, but there’s probably at least one local school board that discovered a teacher that was a content creator for OnlyFans and did nothing about it. But for the 99.9% of the rest, as evidenced by the various articles posted and others that haven’t been cited, as an elected official, there’s very little downside for firing a sex worker that is also a teacher. And that will be default position for most schools. And as @wolfpup stated, the onus isn’t on voters, taxpayers, or parents to express the moral outrage of sex workers teaching their children, but the onus will be on voters, taxpayers or parents that believe sex workers shouldn’t be discriminated against to stand up for those particular teachers. I’ll be honest, I don’t think it will make a difference. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/372 "2023-12-18T22:54:53Z")
So how do we feel about [Bridget Ziegler](https://apnews.com/article/bridget-christian-ziegler-florida-republicans-rape-accusation-90df76d7f1f2f2b827d29e3d07db9741) the anti-LGBTQ activist/co-founder of “Moms for Liberty” member of the Sarasota County Florida School Board, who was asked to resign by her fellow board members, after she and her husband admitted they had consensual three-way sex with a woman who has accused Ziegler’s husband of rape? Let me point out that Bridget Ziegler has not been accused of any crime, and her position as a duly elected school board member does not involve any direct contact with students. Despite that, the president of the school board noted, “given the intense media scrutiny locally and nationally, her continued presence on the Board would cause irreparably harmful distractions to our critical mission.” Ziegler refuses to resign, and can not be voted out by her fellow board members ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/373 "2023-12-18T23:12:52Z")
Her case proves the point that even those who engage in a behavior may condemn others who do. Of course her moral failing is her hypocrisy not her sexuality. Elected officials don’t lose jobs over hypocrisy though. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/374 "2023-12-18T23:39:14Z")
> [@Kent\_Clark](#): > > So how do we feel about [Bridget Ziegler](https://apnews.com/article/bridget-christian-ziegler-florida-republicans-rape-accusation-90df76d7f1f2f2b827d29e3d07db9741) the anti-LGBTQ activist/co-founder of “Moms for Liberty” member of the Sarasota County Florida School Board, who was asked to resign by her fellow board members, after she and her husband admitted they had consensual three-way sex with a woman who has accused Ziegler’s husband of rape? > > Let me point out that Bridget Ziegler has not been accused of any crime, and her position as a duly elected school board member does not involve any direct contact with students. My first thought about the mind-boggling multiple levels of idiocy inherent in this situation is how the hell someone like Bridget Ziegler ever got on a school board, but I see that this is Florida, and furthermore, that she got on the board as a Ron DeSantis appointee as part of his ongoing efforts to transform Florida’s education system to reflect his lunatic-right ideology. I’m not sure I understand the point or relevance of your post. Is the question whether it’s appropriate that she was asked to resign? It certainly is, because even though she doesn’t personally have direct contact with students, FFS she’s part of the leadership team that sets policy for teachers who do, in the entire area of the board’s jurisdiction. Member of a school board? I wouldn’t hire her to be a dog-catcher in the backwoods of Podunk. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2023, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/375 "2023-12-18T23:51:00Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Of course her moral failing is her hypocrisy not her sexuality. Not just her hypocrisy, but also pursuing hateful, bigoted policies that harmed communities and wrecked lives. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/376 "2023-12-19T00:00:13Z")
Yeah that even more. To relevance of this thread: her sexual behavior only matters in the context of her hatefulness to others engaged in similar or at least overlapping behaviors. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/377 "2023-12-19T00:07:50Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > To relevance of this thread: her sexual behavior only matters in the context of her hatefulness to others engaged in similar or at least overlapping behaviors. Absolutely, her sex life is her business, but she has called gay educators groomers. She’s not just a school board member, she’s a co-founder of Moms for Liberty, a hate group. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/378 "2023-12-19T01:41:31Z")
For those of you who feel strongly this teacher shpuld have been fired, where is the line? Ten years ago, a woman who worked in the same building as me was fired because she’d had a “cheesecake” photo distributed by Playboy some years before. Nothing was showing that wouldn’t have shown in a bathing suit. Even at the time, it seemed stupidly Puritanical. I absolutely do not think it was an inevitable outcome, so I don’t think that was something she “should have known” would close a whole career path to her. Anyway, are yall cool with that? If not, how is it different? ETA: I went and read some old news stories and it looks like she did pose nude, as a “coed of the month”. But it was Playboy, not actual sex work. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/379 "2023-12-19T01:51:08Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > ETA: I went and read some old news stories and it looks like she did pose nude, as a “coed of the month”. But it was Playboy, not actual sex work. And, it sounds like, photos that were taken years before she was teaching there? ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2023, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614/380 "2023-12-19T01:52:36Z")
A couple. She was 21 when they fired her, 18 in the photo shoot. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-do-we-feel-about-teachers-fired-for-posting-homemade-porn/994614.md?page=20)